[Vision2020] A Dilemma

Tue Sep 22 18:53:08 PDT 2009

Since I sent the post below, I have received some very interesting information, and have had a stimulating discussion.  These gave birth to some further thoughts and questions with respect to:

King James Bible Deuteronomy 23:

1 He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

Suppose a male elder, deacon, or the parson himself of some church who believed in the inerrancy of the bible was "wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off" or (male or female) was a bastard or an issue originating with a bastard unto the tenth generation, but continued to participate in or to lead church services in direct contravention of the alleged words of his/her alleged god?  Would that not only be sacrilegious, but outright fraud/con artistry?

Since those unfortunates described in the KJB cite above "shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD," should one do so then the congregation immediately ceases to be a "congregation of the LORD."  Hence, those legitimate believers at those compromised services are unknowingly defrauded of the alleged benefits/blessings allegedly bestowed during such compromised services.

Repeat from below:   Since the alleged heaven of the inerrant bible believers is a congregation of the LORD, then no man so maimed as above can go to heaven.  So, if the allegedly inerrant passage cited above is true, then anyone could prevent a particular man from going to heaven simply by executing a quick, simple operation.  It follows that someone seeking revenge for being cuckolded, especially by a male parson, could exact eternal revenge in this manner.

Suppose a male parson fathers a child (or children) in an adulterous relationship(s).  Then his own offspring and their subsequent issue unto the tenth generation could not attend church services (which might really be a blessing) and would not be eligible for some alleged heaven.

Then there is the question of fundamental fairness.  Most of us believe in the ethical principle "An innocent person should not be punished for a deed/sin/crime they did not commit."

A bastard did not participate in the act which resulted in their conception.  Neither did their issue unto the tenth generation.  However, all these innocents, given the truth (inerrancy) of the KJB, are being summarily deprived of a shot at some alleged heaven.

Is that something an alleged perfectly good god would do?

This discussion is about the patent absurdity of the position that the bible is the inerrant word of some allegedly all-powerful, omniscient, perfectly good god.  If a premise results in a false conclusion, then the premise itself is false (modus tollens http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modus_tollens).  More to the point: if a premise results in an absurdly false conclusion, then the premise itself is absurdly false, e.g., the bible is the inerrant word of some allegedly all-powerful, omniscient, perfectly good god. 

But if any statement in the bible is false, then it opens up the possibility that some or all of the statements in the bible are false.  How can one separate the true from the false with any claim of authenticity?  The bible itself offers no solution or clue to the resolution of this dilemma.

Further, the bible is touted as the handbook/manual for correct living and achieving a reward of eternal bliss according to some alleged all-powerful, omniscient, perfectly good god.  

However, the presence of mistakes/absurdities/errors in the bible casts certain doubt on the all-powerfulness, omniscience, and perfected goodness of the alleged god author.  If this alleged god cannot even write a clear, unambiguous, error free guide for living correctly and achieving eternal bliss, how could it be expected to deliver as promised all the multitude of fantastic promises made in the bible about eternity?

Art Deco

Wayne A. Fox
1009 Karen Lane
PO Box 9421
Moscow, ID  83843

waf at moscow.com
208 882-7975

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Art Deco 
  To: Vision 2020 
  Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 1:43 PM
  Subject: [Vision2020] A Dilemma

  Here is an interesting dilemma for those who believe that the Holy Bible is the inerrant word of some allegedly all-powerful, omniscient god.

  King James Bible Deuteronomy 23:

  1 He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

  2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

  This allegedly inerrant pronouncement of the alleged god claimed by  the Bible Inerrants, including our local Christ Church Cult, presents a real dilemma for them for several reasons:  

  If a member loses one or both of his testicles and/or his penis due to an operation to excise a pathological condition or due to any other cause, then he shall not be allowed to attend church.  If he does so, the church services he attends cease to be a congregation of the LORD.  Thus, the presence of such a person nullifies the gathering and the blessings/protections/etc such services allegedly bestow on those present.  If the parson of such a gathering knowingly and willfully allows a such a maimed person into the congregational services, thus nullifying it for all others, then it appears that the parson has knowingly and willfully flouted the commands of his alleged god.  Draw your own conclusion about the alleged holiness of such a parson, especially if the maimed person is a man of wealth generous to the church.

  Since the alleged heaven of the inerrant bible believers is a congregation of the LORD, then no man so maimed as above can go to heaven.  So, if the allegedly inerrant passage cited above is true, then anyone could prevent a particular man from going to heaven simply by executing a quick, simple operation.

  Since no bastard and any issue begatted by such to the tenth generation is allowed into a congregation of the LORD, then any person meeting such a description is not only not allowed into a church service , but is SOL from the alleged heaven.  Thus, the presence of such a person described by the second passage above in a church service nullifies that congregational gathering and the blessings/protections/etc it allegedly bestows on those present.  If the parson of such a gathering knowingly and willfully allows a such a person into the congregational services, thus nullifying it for all others, then it appears that the parson has knowingly and willfully flouted the commands of his alleged god.  Draw your own conclusion about the alleged holiness of such a parson.

  Note that any alleged congregational services attended by any bastard or issue of such to the tenth generation is NOT a congregation of the LORD according to the passages cited.  I wonder if how many services have been so nullified?  Almost all, I'd guess.

  Further, the above two passages seem to contradict the main tenets of the alleged teachings of Christ as found in the Synoptic Gospels, especially Matthew 25:31 .

  Confronted with this bit of information, I wonder what our local cultmaster will do.  [Where money is involved, is there any doubt?]

  Art Deco

  [Wayne A. Fox
  1009 Karen Lane
  PO Box 9421
  Moscow, ID  83843

  waf at moscow.com
  208 882-7975]

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