[Vision2020] Question Concerning John Weber
Art Deco
deco at moscow.com
Thu Oct 29 10:57:12 PDT 2009
Darrell,
I'm sorry, but your reasoning doesn't wash.
First, there is a lot of misleading/blatantly false information about me on the web, but none of it was placed there by me or is under my control to change. In addition, I am not running for a public office and asking to be entrusted with the business of the public.
The official information about candidate Weber on the Moscow city website is in error and is very misleading. This error was pointed out to Weber months ago as you can see from the emails twice posted in this thread.
This false biographical puffery (read: a lie) remains that way today as I compose this email.
http://www.moscow.id.us/council/MeetCouncil.asp
Note that this is Weber's official biography as a Moscow city councilperson, and it exists on the official Moscow city website. The content of this bio is totally under Weber's control. It was pointed out to him months ago that is was a lie. He is no longer a so-called project manager (and hasn't been for many months), but is a bartender.
Weber intentionally chooses not to redact these lies.
You can excuse it if you will, but I doubt that others who still expect the truth from public figures will be quite so forgiving, and also will not find it quite so insignificant, particularly in an election time. Added to this lie, are Weber's lies about the Hawkins project and other matters.
Whether the false, misleading information/puffery on Weber's election website until yesterday was an error or intentional puffery is an open question. After all, it was a very simply written entry on a very simply constructed webpage. It is hard to imagine a literate, diligent person making such an error on such an important matter to the voters. But perhaps the assumption about literacy and/or diligence is not well founded.
What is even more interesting about Weber's short tenure as a so-called "project manager" for Beebe is what he actually did during that tenure. It has been suggested by not a few well-positioned observers that Weber got this sinecure with Beebe because [1] he was on the city council, and [2] because he has such "flexible" ethics. In fact, Weber has been observed taking hand signals from Beebe at URA board meetings. More than one person has used the words "hand puppet" to characterize these interactions.
At least the crafty, dishonest, GMA financed and blessed Walter Steed is bright enough to take his instructions in private.
W.
----- Original Message -----
From: Darrell Keim
To: Art Deco
Cc: Vision 2020
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question Concerning John Weber
Wayne:
Please don't assume you know my political agenda. Rest assured that
you don't have a clue about it.
Liars and sneaks aren't okay with me. Outdated info on a city bio:
Don't see the big deal. I'll bet I could find outdated and inaccurate
info about you on the web, too.
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 8:59 PM, Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:
> I'm sorry that liars and sneaks are OK with you as long as they allege to
> promote an agenda that you favor.
>
> W.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Darrell Keim
> To: Art Deco
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 6:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question Concerning John Weber
> No, I saw that. Don't see the big deal.
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:
>> Darrell,
>>
>> Apparently you missed this earlier post (please note the dates):
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>> Email + Response:
>>
>> From: Wayne A. Fox [mailto:waf at moscow.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:25 PM
>> To: Stephanie Kalasz; Gary Riedner
>> Subject: Weber Bio
>>
>> Shouldn't Weber's bio on the City of Moscow website be updated?
>>
>>
>> John Weber
>> In November of 2005 John was elected to a four year term on the City
>> Council. John is a lifelong resident of Moscow and graduated from Moscow
>> High School and the University of Idaho. He has a Masters of Business
>> Administration and is employed as a project manager here in Moscow. In his
>> free time, John enjoys working on his Corvette and in the warmer weather
>> is
>> an avid golfer.
>>
>>
>> Isn't he no longer a project manager, but a bartender at the Corner Club?
>>
>>
>>
>> Wayne A. Fox
>> 1009 Karen Lane
>> PO Box 9421
>> Moscow, ID 83843
>>
>>
>>
>> waf at moscow.com
>> 208 882-7975
>>
>>
>> From: Gary Riedner
>> To: Wayne A. Fox
>> Cc: Stephanie Kalasz ; Laurie Lewis
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:01 AM
>> Subject: RE: Weber Bio
>> Mr. Fox:
>>
>> Thank you for your observation. I will contact John Weber to see if he
>> wishes to update his information.
>>
>> Gary J. Riedner
>>
>> City Supervisor
>> 208-883-7006
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>> The above exchange took place after Weber was no longer a project manager
>> for Rich Beebe.
>>
>> Weber did not correct his official biography on the City of Moscow website
>> after it was pointed out that he was no longer a project manager, but a
>> bartender at The Corner Club.
>>
>> Continuing to claim to be a project manager when one is not is a
>> misleading
>> lie. The lie continues to this day:
>> http://www.moscow.id.us/council/MeetCouncil.asp
>>
>> Continuing to claim being a project manager is more impressive than
>> admitting the truth about being a bartender at one of Moscow's less
>> upscale
>> bars. There is nothing wrong with being a bartender; however such an
>> occupation is not a very good recommendation for being mayor for a city
>> the
>> size of Moscow. There is something very wrong about Weber lying to Moscow
>> citizens about continuing to be a project manager to falsely pump up his
>> political resume. He lied about the Hawkins matter. How many other
>> official lies has he told?
>>
>> [And do you not find it curious that Rich Beebe does not appear as an
>> endorser on Weber's website?
>> http://www.weber-mayor.com/weber-mayor_005.htm And don't some of the other
>> names on the list of endorsements of Weber set off some really loud alarm
>> bells?]
>>
>> Poor John is a pathetic case. Had he chosen to give up alcohol 30 years
>> ago, he would now probably be an exemplary citizen with honorable
>> political
>> qualifications and would not have to lie, and probably would not act like
>> the village nitwit in city council meetings.
>>
>> Weber was quoted in the Daily News as saying he wanted to "sell Moscow."
>> He
>> was probably reprimanded by the GMA gods for so stupidly and blatantly
>> revealing their goals.
>>
>> But poor pathetic John is in the minor leagues of lying and being a sneak
>> when it comes to some other current GMA endorsed candidates.
>>
>> For example, Walter Steed is a demonstrated sneak and liar.
>>
>> Why do you think the Idaho House Conservation and Resources Committee
>> unanimously rejected his first bill to sell water to Hawkins? And the
>> Idaho
>> House Leader refused to even pass his second bill to committee? And even
>> if
>> the second bill had been sent to committee, it would have not been given a
>> hearing?
>>
>> This is why:
>>
>> Steed lied to the house committee during his live testimony and afterward.
>> He got caught lying big time. The committee was given documentary evidence
>> demonstrating his lies. Steed's lies even so turned off one extreme free
>> market representative that even he voted against it, although he was very
>> in
>> favor of it before the lies rained down.
>>
>> Steed lied from the beginning about the Hawkins deal. He convinced four of
>> the Hawkins Five (all GMA approved) to spend money and Moscow city staff
>> resources even after Hawkins drilled their own wells and were clearly not
>> interested in Moscow water, and after it was clear that the Hawkins
>> agreement was void ab initio, and thus unenforceable.
>>
>> I wouldn't trust these GMA endorsees to run a charity bingo game, let
>> alone
>> a city.
>>
>> Wayne A. Fox
>> 1009 Karen Lane
>> PO Box 9421
>> Moscow, ID 83843
>>
>> waf at moscow.com
>> 208 882-7975
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Darrell Keim
>> To: Art Deco
>> Cc: Vision 2020
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 5:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question Concerning John Weber
>> Wayne:
>>
>> His moscow.com bio may need updating. But, he can still claim the
>> experience as a project manager, regardless of why he is no longer in
>> that position. Why is adding a part-time barkeep position so
>> important to you?
>>
>> Personal example: I resigned from a past position due to major
>> ideological differences with management. None the less, I can still
>> claim the experience of having done that job.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:
>>> Does this also mean that Weber will correct his official biography on the
>>> Moscow.com site to reflect that he is no longer a project manager, but a
>>> bartender at the Corner Club?
>>>
>>> W.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Greg Kimberling
>>> To: 'Paul Rumelhart' ; 'Wayne Price' ; 'Darrell Keim'
>>> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 1:32 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question Concerning John Weber
>>> Here is a response from John Weber:
>>>
>>> To Vision 2020 readers and participants; I regret the error on my
>>> Weber-Mayor.com web page.
>>>
>>> I have never been Moscow's Police Chief nor have I ever been the attorney
>>> for the City of Moscow. However I have been on the search committees that
>>> helped fill these positions in the past.
>>>
>>> I would like to thank the Moscow citizens that caught this mistake and
>>> gave me the opportunity to correct it, both on Vision 2020 and my web
>>> page.
>>>
>>> If anyone would like to discuss this with me further, please contact me
>>> at 208.882.6794.
>>>
>>> John Weber
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>>> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Paul Rumelhart
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:08 PM
>>> To: Wayne Price; Darrell Keim
>>> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question Concerning John Weber
>>>
>>> Do we even know that he did the website himself?
>>>
>>> This seems like a lot of controversy over what might just be a simple
>>> typo
>>> made by somebody else. Sure, he should fix it.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 10/28/09, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question Concerning John Weber
>>>> To: "Wayne Price" <bear at moscow.com>
>>>> Cc: "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>> Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 10:09 AM
>>>> Wayne:
>>>>
>>>> One can make valid points about Webers' attention to detail, citing
>>>> this as an example. But, I contend it IS a whinefest if the error is
>>>> not pointed out to the candidate.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > Darrell,
>>>> >
>>>> > NOT a whine-fest! That is how carefully he checked
>>>> his own web page, no
>>>> > one on the list did that for him!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Oct 28, 2009, at 8:27 AM, Darrell Keim wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Oh, definitely agreed that he needs to correct it.
>>>> Did anyone think
>>>> >> to point out the error to him? Or is this simply
>>>> a v2020 winefest?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Joe Campbell
>>>> <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I'm sure he's a nice guy too but he is still
>>>> misrepresenting himself and
>>>> >>> should change it asap. Joe
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Oct 28, 2009, at 8:18 AM, Darrell Keim
>>>> <keim153 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> Agreed: Missing a colon and/or
>>>> indentation.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I have met John a few times. He seems to
>>>> be a good man. I don't
>>>> >>>> think he would intentionally misrepresent
>>>> these basic facts about
>>>> >>>> himself.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Sunil
>>>> Ramalingam
>>>> >>>> <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I'm betting he was on the search
>>>> committees for those positions, and is
>>>> >>>>> missing a colon in the line above.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Sunil
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> From: bear at moscow.com
>>>> >>>>>> To: thansen at moscow.com
>>>> >>>>>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:57:15
>>>> -0700
>>>> >>>>>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question
>>>> Concerning John Weber
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Tom,
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> From reading that list he was
>>>> everything in the city except Michael
>>>> >>>>>> Jackson!
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> What a rube!
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 28, 2009, at 6:59 AM, Tom
>>>> Hansen wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Was John Weber ever Moscow's
>>>> Police Chief and/or City Attorney as
>>>> >>>>>>> reflected on his website at:
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.weber-mayor.com/weber-mayor_003.htm
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>> >>>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> "The Pessimist complains about
>>>> the wind, the Optimist expects it to
>>>> >>>>>>> change
>>>> >>>>>>> and the Realist adjusts his
>>>> sails."
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> - Unknown
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
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