[Vision2020] Liberal Agenda?

[Andy Boyd]

I have yet to see this 'free market" to which you refer.  Might you give an 
example where markets are free?
Andy Boyd
Manager/Education Coordinator
Moscow Recycling
208 882 0590
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From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
To: "Andy Boyd" <moscowrecycling at turbonet.com>; "Gier, Nicholas" 
<NGIER at uidaho.edu>; "Kenneth Marcy" <kmmos1 at verizon.net>; 
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> No. Capitalism as embodied in the free market system allows one to freely 
> engage in any legal business they see fit. The  role of government should 
> be see that businesses do not deceive the public or engage in unfair 
> business practices.
> Roger
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> From: "Andy Boyd" moscowrecycling at turbonet.com
> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:37:26 -0800
> To: "lfalen" lfalen at turbonet.com, "Gier, Nicholas" NGIER at uidaho.edu, 
> "Kenneth Marcy" kmmos1 at verizon.net, vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Liberal Agenda?
>
>> Couldn't you argue that capitalism is a form of behavior control, turning 
>> us
>> all into good little consumers, all occuring in the last 50 years?
>> Andy Boyd
>> Manager/Education Coordinator
>> Moscow Recycling
>> 208 882 0590
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
>> To: "Gier, Nicholas" <NGIER at uidaho.edu>; "Kenneth Marcy"
>> <kmmos1 at verizon.net>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Liberal Agenda?
>>
>>
>> > Nick
>> > I think that your definition is correct and would be in line with that 
>> > of
>> > John Stuart Mill. To be liberal should mean that one allows for the
>> > behavior of others to be different from their own, even though they may
>> > not like it. This is why I use the term leftist to identify those who 
>> > want
>> > the state to control of our behavior.  They are anything but liberal, 
>> > Some
>> > of those on the far right want to do the same.
>> > Roger
>> > -----Original message-----
>> > From: "Gier, Nicholas" NGIER at uidaho.edu
>> > Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:10:48 -0800
>> > To: "Kenneth Marcy" kmmos1 at verizon.net,  vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Liberal Agenda?
>> >
>> >> Greetings Visionaries:
>> >>
>> >> I'm on a futile crusade to bring everyone back to the original meaning 
>> >> of
>> >> the word "liberal," from the Latin word "liberalis," meaning 
>> >> "pertaining
>> >> to a free person," the "liberi" as opposed to the "servi," the "serfs"
>> >> who were not free.
>> >>
>> >> The genius of the American and French Revolutions was the declaration
>> >> that we are all free with inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the
>> >> pursuit of happiness. The "servi" no longer exist.
>> >>
>> >> For more read my column "We Are All Liberals--Well, Almost All."
>> >> (www.class.uidaho.edu/ngier/liberalism.htm) The exceptions are people
>> >> such as Doug Wilson and his sordid gang of Paleo-Conservatives.
>> >>
>> >> May you all have a very Liberal Thanksgiving,
>> >>
>> >> Nick Gier
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com on behalf of Kenneth Marcy
>> >> Sent: Wed 11/25/2009 9:27 AM
>> >> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Liberal Agenda?
>> >>
>> >> On Tuesday 24 November 2009 18:43:03 John Pool wrote:
>> >> > I'm confused. Just what *is* a liberal agenda? Is it something that
>> >> > all liberals have to agree on, or just some? Does it have to be a
>> >> > majority, or can it be less than that? What happens if a moderate
>> >> > or centrist seeks the same end? Does that make her/him a liberal
>> >> > automatically? I'd like some clarification here.
>> >>
>> >> When the phrase "liberal agenda" is used, usually it is a pejorative
>> >> reference by someone talking against whatever is perceived to be
>> >> undesirable about the matters to which they refer. The phrase has
>> >> developed into a shorthand ad hominem argument against whatever
>> >> policy the (conservative) speaker opposes.
>> >>
>> >> Liberal is a relative term that needs a reference points in time and
>> >> place, culture and subject, and policy status quo vis-à-vis someone
>> >> observing. To use it without such referents may be diversionary and
>> >> counterproductive toward effective discussion, which may be the
>> >> desired effect.
>> >>
>> >> I suspect actual liberals just dispense with using the term in favor
>> >> of something more specific, such as legislative agenda or party
>> >> platform. On the other hand, in the case of Thanksgiving, a well-set
>> >> table and congenial guests make the agenda and the event the same.
>> >> Happy Holiday.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Ken
>> >>
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