[Vision2020] Liberal Agenda?

[Andy Boyd]

Couldn't you argue that capitalism is a form of behavior control, turning us 
all into good little consumers, all occuring in the last 50 years?
Andy Boyd
Manager/Education Coordinator
Moscow Recycling
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From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
To: "Gier, Nicholas" <NGIER at uidaho.edu>; "Kenneth Marcy" 
<kmmos1 at verizon.net>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Liberal Agenda?


> Nick
> I think that your definition is correct and would be in line with that of 
> John Stuart Mill. To be liberal should mean that one allows for the 
> behavior of others to be different from their own, even though they may 
> not like it. This is why I use the term leftist to identify those who want 
> the state to control of our behavior.  They are anything but liberal, Some 
> of those on the far right want to do the same.
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: "Gier, Nicholas" NGIER at uidaho.edu
> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:10:48 -0800
> To: "Kenneth Marcy" kmmos1 at verizon.net,  vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Liberal Agenda?
>
>> Greetings Visionaries:
>>
>> I'm on a futile crusade to bring everyone back to the original meaning of 
>> the word "liberal," from the Latin word "liberalis," meaning "pertaining 
>> to a free person," the "liberi" as opposed to the "servi," the "serfs" 
>> who were not free.
>>
>> The genius of the American and French Revolutions was the declaration 
>> that we are all free with inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the 
>> pursuit of happiness. The "servi" no longer exist.
>>
>> For more read my column "We Are All Liberals--Well, Almost All." 
>> (www.class.uidaho.edu/ngier/liberalism.htm) The exceptions are people 
>> such as Doug Wilson and his sordid gang of Paleo-Conservatives.
>>
>> May you all have a very Liberal Thanksgiving,
>>
>> Nick Gier
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com on behalf of Kenneth Marcy
>> Sent: Wed 11/25/2009 9:27 AM
>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Liberal Agenda?
>>
>> On Tuesday 24 November 2009 18:43:03 John Pool wrote:
>> > I'm confused. Just what *is* a liberal agenda? Is it something that
>> > all liberals have to agree on, or just some? Does it have to be a
>> > majority, or can it be less than that? What happens if a moderate
>> > or centrist seeks the same end? Does that make her/him a liberal
>> > automatically? I'd like some clarification here.
>>
>> When the phrase "liberal agenda" is used, usually it is a pejorative
>> reference by someone talking against whatever is perceived to be
>> undesirable about the matters to which they refer. The phrase has
>> developed into a shorthand ad hominem argument against whatever
>> policy the (conservative) speaker opposes.
>>
>> Liberal is a relative term that needs a reference points in time and
>> place, culture and subject, and policy status quo vis-à-vis someone
>> observing. To use it without such referents may be diversionary and
>> counterproductive toward effective discussion, which may be the
>> desired effect.
>>
>> I suspect actual liberals just dispense with using the term in favor
>> of something more specific, such as legislative agenda or party
>> platform. On the other hand, in the case of Thanksgiving, a well-set
>> table and congenial guests make the agenda and the event the same.
>> Happy Holiday.
>>
>>
>> Ken
>>
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