[Vision2020] vandals strike again

Fri Nov 6 23:46:40 PST 2009

Exactly. Or as you would say it, Joe, "Exactly!!!!!!!" :D

Donovan Arnold

--- On Fri, 11/6/09, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] vandals strike again
To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2008 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Selina Davis" <selinadavis at hotmail.com>, "Vision 2020 List" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 4:47 PM

The bitten one. 

On Nov 6, 2009, at 6:30 AM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2008 at yahoo.com> wrote:

If someone sticks their finger in another person's face and it gets bitten, who has been violated?

Donovan Arnold

--- On Fri, 11/6/09, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] vandals strike again
To: "Selina Davis" <selinadavis at hotmail.com>
Cc: "Vision 2020 List" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 3:30 AM

Are you trying to say there is no infringment of rights here? Not even property rights? Holy crap!?!

On Nov 5, 2009, at 5:13 PM, Selina Davis <selinadavis at hotmail.com> wrote:

Donovan,

US Supreme Court precedent dealing with the First Amendment would tend to differ with your conclusion.  The message conveyed by the sign simply does not fall within any of the categories of speech (true threat, incitement, hate speech, defamation, commercial speech, purely prurient obscenity, or speech that invades the subject's privacy) that may be regulated, prohibited, or punished based on content.

After two and a half years of parenting a pre-schooler who's now in first grade, I'd say that dealing with the occasional awkward conversation seems to come with the territory.  I doubt that any literate child would be troubled, let alone traumatized, by that sign, particularly if his or her parent could provide a calm and rational response when the child asks, "What does that mean, anyway?"  I can also honestly say that my belief in God was not shaken in third grade, when my then-best friend shared that she and her mother were atheists.  I just found it curious.  For what it's worth.

- Selina

Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:22:50 -0800
From: donovanjarnold2008 at yahoo.com
To: bear at moscow.com
CC: vision2020 at secure.fsr.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] vandals strike again

Wayne, that is remarkably simple. 

Communities should get to decide what is appropriate content for the general public to have unwillingly thrust in their face and the eyes of their children and where it is appropriate.

Donovan Arnold

--- On Thu, 11/5/09, Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com> wrote:

From: Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] vandals strike again
To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2008 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "<vision2020 at secure.fsr.com>" <vision2020 at secure.fsr.com>
Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 11:08 PM

Donovan, 

The problem is WHO gets to decide what is an appropriate context?  

On Nov 5, 2009, at 3:04 PM, Donovan Arnold wrote:

That's funny. I think all roadside billboards should be taken down, they make American Roadways ugly and cause accidents. Or at least it should be legal to have big bushy mustaches drawn on their faces, unless it is Geraldo, then you would have to paint over the mustache. : V| D

I don't think billboards announcing that Santa isn't real, or how to use a condom is appropriate either, because children can read those signs, and they do, and a parent may wish to censor what ads and information their children receive. 

Case and point; A child is coming home from their Grandmother's funeral or a school shooting funeral. They tell the child grandmother or friend are with God. Then they read a sign saying, there is no God. 

I am for free speech, but always in an appropriate context. 

This is ironic too, maybe the Humanists can pray their signs won't be vandalized. Or find a more appropriate  way of expressing their point of view. 

Donovan Arnold

--- On Thu, 11/5/09, Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com> wrote:

From: Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] vandals strike again
To: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
Cc: "<vision2020 at secure.fsr.com>" <vision2020 at secure.fsr.com>
Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 3:58 PM

Once the Humanists  get the sign redone, and I really hope they do, would it be that hard to REMOVE the ladder leading up to the platform? 
Carrying a can of paint at night is one thing, but paint and a ladder?  Perhaps  the creeps could be caught that way.
Or, perhaps  a camera, so the creeps could be identified and prosecuted?

On Nov 5, 2009, at 7:47 AM, Joe Campbell wrote:

This is against free speech, against property rights, and against religious freedom.

On Nov 4, 2009, at 2:38 PM, keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:

I wish whoever is doing this would knock it off.  If the most courageous stand you can make for your faith in God is to deface a billboard, you've really got some spiritual inventory to examine.

Keely
www.keely-prevailingwinds.com

From: london at moscow.com
To: vision2020 at secure.fsr.com
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:13:55 -0800
Subject: [Vision2020] vandals strike again

Humanist Billboard Vandalized in Moscow, Idaho…Again

(Washington, D.C, November 4, 2009) An individual or individuals have
defaced a billboard in Moscow, Idaho… again. The billboard originally
read "Millions are good without God" but was partially obscured with
blue paint to now read “Millions are good with God”. It's the second
time the American Humanist Association (AHA)-sponsored billboard has
been vandalized in two weeks. In the first instance the word "without"
was completely blacked out, after which the AHA quickly replaced the
billboard. The advertisement, which was originally placed
mid-September, is part of an American Humanist Association advertising
campaign to spread awareness about being good without God. It's the
third billboard advertisement the organization has displayed in the
Moscow area and similar ads have been put up around the country.

A picture of the vandalized billboard can be found here:
http://www.americanhumanist.org/system/storage/29/1225/Picture_002.jpg.
The billboard can be found on Highway 95, just south of Moscow near
the Sweet Avenue cross street, facing northbound traffic.

"The irony here is worth noting," said David Niose, president of the
American Humanist Association. "Some individuals are committing
criminal acts while apparently claiming that their religious view of
the world leads to good behavior. It's not a very convincing argument
on their part."

"This is not just vandalism, it is religiously motivated vandalism
which attempts to silence a minority viewpoint," added Niose.
"Everyone, not just humanists, should be concerned about such acts."

The Moscow Police Department notified the AHA this morning. They
believe the ad defaced between 1 and 3 am. The AHA has alerted the
billboard company who leased the space, Lamar Outdoor, who said they
will start leaving the lights on round the clock. The AHA will be
replacing the billboard but hasn't yet decided whether to go with the
same design.

"I’m disturbed that this happened again," said Roy Speckhardt,
executive director of the American Humanist Association. "Two
consecutive crimes in a town where the last incidence of billboard
vandalism was years ago makes it obvious that humanists and our
message are being targeted.”

The American Humanist Association (www.americanhumanist.org) advocates
for the rights and viewpoints of humanists. Founded in 1941 and
headquartered in Washington, D.C., its work is extended through more
than 100 local chapters and affiliates across the United States.

Humanism is the idea that you can be good without a belief in God.

###

Contact:
Karen Frantz
202-238-9088
cell: 703-725-4112
kfrantz at americanhumanist.org

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