[Vision2020] Just Curious

[Darrell Keim]

Wayne:

I'm not aware of any mistakes in my post.  I KNOW that Greg forwarded
the note, for reasons I've already explained to you multiple times.
As to your assertion about John Webers ability to write-this is the
first you have brought that up.  I know nothing about it.  He may be
the next Mark Twain, or a complete loss in this area.

Nor do I know if he used a typewriter, computer or dictation.  Mr.
Weber has been a fairly successful businessman.  That is enough to
satisfy me that he can communicate in at least a rudimentary fashion.

I have more comments below.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:
> Aside from trivial mistakes in your last post(e.g. Kimberling forwarded an
> email from someone -- look at his post, it is not a forward but an original
> email, etc.), here are the problems:

Untrue.  See my past notes for an explanation of how I KNOW that.
>
> Who wrote the original statement of retraction?  If Weber wrote it as
> claimed by Kimberling, the what how did he write it?  By hand, on a
> typewriter, on a computer.  If the latter, why didn't he just email himself
> to you and Kimberling?

Neither Greg nor I contacted him directly.  We contacted him through a
third party, he replied in the same fashion.  I believe this was
accomplished by simply hitting the "return" button on the email
program.  Is this really that hard for you to fathom?
>
> I raised this question originally because I have seen some of Weber's solo
> attempts at written communication.  Being as charitable as possible, I'd say
> that solo, unedited, written communication is far from Weber's forte and the
> statement of retraction beyond his ken without help.  I suspect that Kathy
> Weber composed the statement of retraction possibly with some salutary
> participation from Weber himself.
Not knowing the nature of the notes you claim to have seen, I can't
comment on this.  Were they notes for public release?  Personal notes?
 Notes to confidants?  Notes for public consumption?  Each could come
in varying degrees of readability.  Surely Mr. Weber would not have
succeeded in his business endeavors without some ability to
communicate clearly.
>
> Why didn't the Weber campaign communicate directly with the 600+ members of
> V2020 about this and the issue of his false resume on the city website?
Why should he?  V2020 is well known for being an extremely left
leaning list.  Put simply:  this listserv doesn't represent the
constituency he is playing to.  That constituency long ago wrote this
listserv off as a lost cause.  False resume?  Hardly.  Outdated?  Yes.
>
> The campaign has an email address info at weber-mayor.com  It would a simple
> matter of less than a minute to join that address to V2020 and to respond
> directly to the list.
Yes, one response would take a minute.  Then responding to each of the
many questions that would instantly flow to him?  That would take
hours, and possibly days.
>
> I think the answer is arrogance, ignorance, and fear.
I think the answer is that politically this listserv is irrelevant to
his goals.  Show of hands:  How many on this listserv consider
themselves to be conservative?
>
>  Arrogance, because I don't think Weber gives a rat's ass about what those
> active on V2020 think.
I don't call it arrogance, but I generally agree.  As explained above.
Ignorance, because he is almost totally computer
> illiterate -- an inexcusable state for any modern public official.
I've seen no good proof of this.  Just conjecture based off his poor
habits for email response.
Fear,
> because there is no credible answer to his continued false resume on the
> city website, and to admit such a continuing error is to admit to a
> significant moral laxity.
Or a lack of time.  City officials don't get paid what they are worth.
 Gotta run.  Hope you voted!  I know I have.
>
> There are several more issues about Weber's honesty and/or ineptitude just
> considering his last handout (in the DN) that have yet to be raised.
> Although it will be too late to address them before the election, my
> curiosity has been so piqued that I will in time do the necessary research
> and investigation about some of these.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Darrell Keim
> To: Art Deco
> Cc: Vision 2020
> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Just Curious
> Wayne:
>
> I believe I read your note with due diligence.
>
> Read my note again, specifically the 3rd paragraph.  I do answer your
> question:  From whence, from whom, and how did the response allegedly
> by Weber get to Kimberling?  In point of fact I answer that question,
> and negate your assertion: it is not a forwarded email, but originated
> with Kimberling.   You will see my claim that Greg and I were both
> forwarded the same email from a third party, his sister (at least I
> think she is his sister). I posit that Weber chose to communicate with
> Greg and I through this 3rd party-probably because that was how we
> contacted him.
>
> As to your second question:  Who really wrote the response attributed
> to John Weber?  Occams Razor would indicate that it is most likely
> John Weber wrote the very simple and relatively harmless note that is
> attributed to John Weber.
>
> If you are truly concerned why not call Weber at the phone number he
> provided.
>
> To quote my wife: Paranoia will destroy-a.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:
>> There is no doubt that Greg Kimberling did not email John Weber. He says
>> so. That was not the issue I raised.
>>
>> My questions concerned about how the letter allegedly written by John
>> Weber
>> got to Kimberling:
>>
>> "Since, Kimberling writes in his second email that he has never
>> communicated
>> with John Weber via email, but then says apparently contradictorily: "John
>> wrote back his response and I thought it might be appropriate to post it
>> on
>> the website." A look at the first email below shows it is not a forwarded
>> email, but originated with Kimberling.
>>
>> From whence, from whom, and how did the response allegedly by Weber get to
>> Kimberling? Who really wrote the response attributed to John Weber? "
>>
>>
>> It appears that it is you that needs to make an adjustment, perhaps in the
>> care that you take to read the issue I raised.
>>
>> W.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Darrell Keim
>> To: Art Deco
>> Cc: Vision 2020
>> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 6:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Just Curious
>> Wayne:
>>
>> I suggest that you need to adjust the tinfoil in your hat. It seems
>> to be a bit tight.
>>
>> The answer lies in the 2nd email you quote from Greg: I simply made
>> contact with John through his sister and asked what the deal was.
>>
>> I'll bet Greg didn't email John. He probably used the "contact us"
>> section on the Weber web page. I also notified the Weber campaign of
>> the website problems via "contact us". I got the same email that Greg
>> did, in fact both of our addresses were on it. Greg had already
>> forwarded it to this list, so I took no further action. Incidentally,
>> I did not get my reply directly from John Weber. I received it from a
>> third party (probably the person in charge of his website, which is, I
>> think, his sister).
>>
>> I would like to take this time to say: It looks like we have two well
>> qualified candidates for mayor. Both represent very different visions
>> for Moscow. I encourage all v2020 to get out and vote for the
>> candidate that best represents their vision for our little burg. Good
>> luck to both candidates!
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:
>>> To those that may wonder too:
>>>
>>> Below are copies of two emails from Greg Kimberling.
>>>
>>> The first contains a letter allegedly written by John Weber in response
>>> to
>>> questions raised on V2020 (and elsewhere) about the truth of certain
>>> statements then on Weber's campaign website.
>>>
>>> The second is a response by Greg Kimberling to the question: "Does Weber
>>> use email?"
>>>
>>> Since, Kimberling writes in his second email that he has never
>>> communicated
>>> with John Weber via email, but then says apparently contradictorily:
>>> "John
>>> wrote back his response and I thought it might be appropriate to post it
>>> on
>>> the website." A look at the first email below shows it is not a forwarded
>>> email, but originated with Kimberling.
>>>
>>> From whence, from whom, and how did the response allegedly by Weber get
>>> to
>>> Kimberling? Who really wrote the response attributed to John Weber?
>>>
>>> Perhaps someone can help this curious, but befuddled old codger by
>>> answering
>>> these two questions.
>>>
>>> Further, I am curious because over the last few months, I emailed Weber
>>> many
>>> times. I have never received a response from him. But on almost all
>>> emails
>>> sent, I received an error message which basically said my email was
>>> undeliverable because his box was full. When I mentioned this to several
>>> city staff, part of the responses received was that Weber did not use
>>> email
>>> since he did not know how. Hence my questions above about the origin and
>>> initial transmission of his retraction of previous claims.
>>>
>>> I agree with the earlier statement of Tom Trail. Email is a very
>>> important
>>> and crucial tool for any public official when listening to and when
>>> responding to public concerns. Representative Trail is always quick to
>>> respond to my email queries and concerns, and his responses are germane.
>>>
>>> I'd be grateful for any help anyone can give [on list] to relieve my
>>> befuddlement on this issue.
>>>
>>> Wayne A. Fox
>>> 1009 Karen Lane
>>> PO Box 9421
>>> Moscow, ID 83843
>>>
>>> waf at moscow.com
>>> 208 882-7975
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Greg Kimberling
>>> To: 'Paul Rumelhart' ; 'Wayne Price' ; 'Darrell Keim'
>>> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:32 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question Concerning John Weber
>>> Here is a response from John Weber:
>>>
>>> To Vision 2020 readers and participants; I regret the error on my
>>> Weber-Mayor.com web page.
>>>
>>> I have never been Moscow's Police Chief nor have I ever been the attorney
>>> for the City of Moscow. However I have been on the search committees that
>>> helped fill these positions in the past.
>>>
>>> I would like to thank the Moscow citizens that caught this mistake and
>>> gave me the opportunity to correct it, both on Vision 2020 and my web
>>> page.
>>>
>>> If anyone would like to discuss this with me further, please contact me
>>> at 208.882.6794.
>>>
>>> John Weber
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Greg Kimberling
>>> To: 'Bill London' ; vision2020 at secure.fsr.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 3:35 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Does Weber use email?
>>>
>>> Bill, Cathy and others:
>>>
>>> I appreciate your notes. My response on Vision 2020 was a practical
>>> issue.
>>> The discussion was based upon a number of items posted on his campaign
>>> website about his experience and or qualifications. Instead of debating
>>> the
>>> issue about facts I was unsure about I simply made contact with John
>>> through
>>> his sister and asked what the deal was. John wrote back his response and
>>> I
>>> thought it might be appropriate to post it on the website. It seemed like
>>> a
>>> very logical step to take regardless of whether you support one candidate
>>> or
>>> the other.
>>>
>>> I have never communicated with John through email so I cannot answer your
>>> question regarding an email address for him. I have always called him up
>>> or
>>> met with him face to face. I do not represent his campaign or the
>>> committee
>>> assisting him so I would suggest you contact him directly with the phone
>>> number he gave out – 882-6794
>>>
>>> Best Wishes,
>>>
>>> Greg Kimberling
>>>
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