[Vision2020] Reverse Racism?
Joe Campbell
philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Sat May 30 18:22:09 PDT 2009
Bear,
Doesn't seem to be an affirmative action issue or a racial
discrimination issue or whatever. I agree there.
But aren't reservations subject to their own set of laws? I'm no
expert in law but if it is not under our juristiction, then it is a
kind of "home base where they can dash," right? I agree problems
result but I'm not sure of the best fix.
That is just
Joe Campbell
On May 30, 2009, at 11:27 AM, bear at moscow.com wrote:
> Ok, I don't see this as an affirmative action issue based on the
> facts as
> set forth in the paper, for what they are worth.
>
> 1. Idaho STATE trooper pulls over two people in a vehicle on a
> state/county road for a traffic violation.
> 2. The vehicle at first stops, and then takes off finally stopping
> on the
> reservation.
> 3. STATE trooper follows.
> 4. Some sort of altercation starts where in the two people in the
> vehicle
> start to pound the STATE trooper.
> 5. STATE trooper fires at the two people that are beating him up.
> 6. One dead and one wounded (the two people from the vehicle)
>
> Have I got that right? Now, because it later turns out that the two
> individuals in the vehicle are members of the Nez Perce Tribe, the
> allegations are that the STATE trooper was tresspassing when he
> defended
> himself? He was supposed to wait until a member of the tribal police
> showed up?
>
> I'm not taking a side on this one way or the other, but do members
> of the
> tribe really think that the reservation is a home base that they can
> dash
> to and be immune from state law enforcement officers for an action
> that
> started off the reservation?
>
> And there is the issue of the reservation even existing after the war
> between the Nez Perce and the United States (1877). I would argue
> that
> since there was a state of war between the two nations, that all
> treaties
> that were written before that war occured (1855/1863), are null and
> void,
> just like pre-war treaties between the US and Japan and Germany were
> voided by their acts/declarations of war.
>
>
> Comments?
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>> According to this definition, any kind of affirmative action would be
>> an instance of discrimination and racism. That strikes me as absurd.
>>
>> Joe Campbell
>>
>> On May 30, 2009, at 8:10 AM, "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Courtesy of Wikipedia at:
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_racism
>>>
>>> "Reverse discrimination (sometimes called "reverse racism") is, in
>>> its
>>> simplest form, the practice of favoring members of a historically
>>> disadvantaged group at the expense of members of a historically
>>> advantaged
>>> group."
>>>
>>> Tom Hansen
>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> What is "reverse" racism?
>>>>
>>>> Ellen A. Roskovich
>>>>
>>>>> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 21:02:19 -0700
>>>>> From: bear at moscow.com
>>>>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] Reverse Racism?
>>>>>
>>>>> This article appeared on the KLEW website, and I'm printing it
>>>>> here with
>>>>> a
>>>>> question for the Visionaries, is it a case of reverse racism?
>>>>>
>>>>> LEWISTON - A Nez Perce Tribal elder and paralegal says law
>>>>> enforcement
>>>>> overstepped its bounds during a shooting on Cottonwood Creek Road
>>>>> last
>>>>> week.
>>>>> Randall Vernon Ellenwood died and Ricardo Daniel Rodriguez was
>>>>> injured
>>>>> when they were shot by the officer in what is described as a
>>>>> traffic
>>>>> stop
>>>>> and ensuing physical altercation.
>>>>> In a news release issued Tuesday, ISP said their trooper, who
>>>>> allegedly
>>>>> fired the shots at the men, had jurisdiction on the county road.
>>>>> But the owner of the property where the shootings happened,
>>>>> Clifford
>>>>> Allen, says when the trooper stepped on Indian-owned land, he was
>>>>> nothing
>>>>> more than "A mad man with a pistol in his hand."
>>>>> "For him to do what he did was absolutely illegal," said Allen.
>>>>> "What he
>>>>> should have done was stopped down at the highway and waited for
>>>>> his
>>>>> backup, which was the Tribal Police."
>>>>> Allen said he wasn't home until about 15 minutes after the
>>>>> shooting took
>>>>> place, and has not seen video of the actual incident. He says that
>>>>> video
>>>>> may exist though.
>>>>> Allen doesn't deny reports that the men fled ISP after a previous
>>>>> traffic
>>>>> stop, but says the men "sensed a hatred" in the trooper and felt
>>>>> the
>>>>> need
>>>>> to flee to a "sanctuary" or "safe place."
>>>>> "I wasn't home and so they just kind of stopped and did things on
>>>>> their
>>>>> own," said Allen. "Unfortunately had I been there, they'd probably
>>>>> still
>>>>> be alive."
>>>>> ISP says the officer opened fire after being attacked and
>>>>> overpowered by
>>>>> the two men. The officer involved has not been identified.
>>>>> Allen said Ellenwood was a family friend who went to school with
>>>>> his
>>>>> children.
>>>>> Allen says he is acting as Rodriguez’ consultant, as the F
>>>>> BI con
>>>>> tinues
>>>>> its
>>>>> investigation.
>>>>> Allen said he is meeting with attorneys at the end of the week to
>>>>> pursue
>>>>> legal action against the state and county officers on his property
>>>>> that
>>>>> day.
>>>>> "We'll have to do something of that sort in order to prove that
>>>>> their
>>>>> liable by trespass, and if that's the case, they have to pay for
>>>>> damages,"
>>>>> said Allen.
>>>>>
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