[Vision2020] Uncommon reading

lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
Wed May 27 10:41:11 PDT 2009 

The thing is that sports are important, but in hard time tney need to carry there own weight. Any pay cuts or lay offs should also be applied to coaches and Athletic administrators.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: Carl Westberg idahovandal1 at live.com
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:14:16 -0700
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Uncommon reading

> 
> I have no further ideas on this, Bear.  I have no answers.  I'm now going to continue my PS3 MLB 09 The Show baseball game between Seattle and the White Sox where I left off last night.  Mariners are ahead 5-1 in the fourth inning, but Chicago is threatening with runners on first and third with only one out.  Wish me luck.
> 
> > Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:01:15 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Uncommon reading
> > From: bear at moscow.com
> > To: idahovandal1 at live.com
> > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > 
> > Carl,
> > 
> > You have a valid point when you wrote "While academics
> > clearly are number 1, the diversion of athletics and the memories
> > created for fans is important to the college experience, also.", and I
> > agree, BUT
> > there has to be a college to go to to have a college experience!
> > 
> > Imagine if you will, a university President, or even an acting president
> > saying, "OK legislature/ regents, you have given me X amount of dollars to
> > run the university this year. I plan to cut out ALL inter-collegiate
> > sports, because they are not part of the core function of the university. 
> > IF and when there is an up roar from the collegiate sports fans, YOU take
> > the heat for it!".  A university president that say academics   come first
> >  at this university.
> > 
> > And again, when money is plentiful, then it's not an issue, but in times
> > like this, it is.
> > 
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > While I do not believe that academic programs should be cut in lieu of
> > > athletic programs, I, like Jennifer, am a fan of college athletics, and
> > > particularly Idaho Vandal sports.  Have been since way back when Jerry
> > > Kramer and Wayne Walker suited up for Vandal football in the 1950s.  I
> > > was very young, but I remember those days.  In the remarkable
> > > basketball season of 1963, when Gus Johnson lit up Memorial Gym, I
> > > recall having to stand in line for tickets 3 hours before tipoff.  Ray
> > > McDonald carrying 4 hapless defenders into the end zone at Neale
> > > Stadium in the mid 1960s.  Of course, Don Monson's basketball team
> > > beating Iowa at the buzzer in the NCAA tournament in 1982, propelling
> > > Idaho into the Sweet 16.  All those moments and more are a strong part
> > > of the fabric that is the U of I.  And for those advocating a drop to
> > > the Big Sky because of the ill fortunes of the football team, football
> > > isn't the only sport played here.  Yes, the football program has
> > > struggled, but the basketball programs, both men's and women's, are
> > > making a huge turnaround, and the Vandals have done just fine in the
> > > WAC in many other sports, such as track and field.  While academics
> > > clearly are number 1, the diversion of athletics and the memories
> > > created for fans is important to the college experience, also.  IMHO.
> > > Carl Westberg Jr.
> > >
> > >> From: jennifer at inlandradio.com
> > >> To: kjajmix1 at msn.com
> > >> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:24:18 -0800
> > >> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Uncommon reading
> > >>
> > >> I don't remember where I read it but very few--about 19, I
> > >> believe--athletic
> > >> programs across the nation actually directly make a profit for their
> > >> school
> > >> (the average deficit was somewhere in the $9 million range). That being
> > >> said, since when did making a profit for the school become a requirement
> > >> for
> > >> any program whether athletic or academic? I'm a fan of college sports.
> > >> I'm
> > >> also a fan of academics. I think we'd lose enrollment and endowment
> > >> dollars
> > >> if we cut unprofitable athletic programs from UI (read: all?). Losing
> > >> enrollment and endowment money would lead to huge budget cuts in all or
> > >> most
> > >> academic programs. This doesn't mean I think we should increase these
> > >> programs exponentially, but I think it's foolish to think that having
> > >> them
> > >> doesn't contribute to the overall health of the school.
> > >>
> > >> Sincerely,
> > >>
> > >> Jennifer
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> > >> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> > >> On Behalf Of lfalen
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:01 AM
> > >> To: keely emerinemix; Chris Price; whayman at roadrunner.com
> > >> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com; tiedye at turbonet.com
> > >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Uncommon reading
> > >>
> > >> I could not agree more.
> > >> Roger
> > >> -----Original message-----
> > >> From: keely emerinemix kjajmix1 at msn.com
> > >> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 11:31:44 -0700
> > >> To: Chris Price bear at moscow.com,  whayman at roadrunner.com
> > >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Uncommon reading
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> > The idea that collegiate sports programs are rah-rah opportunities for
> > >> proud students and alumni to bond over three-hour games is a lovely one
> > >> --
> > >> and about as quaint, outdated, and irrelevant as my grandmother's fox
> > >> stole.
> > >> It's a whole different . . . uh . . . game nowadays, where athletes are
> > >> recruited solely on the basis of athletic skill and scholars are
> > >> recruited
> > >> all too rarely.  I realize that UI sports programs raise revenue.  I
> > >> also
> > >> know they cost a tremendous amount.  Has anyone studied the cost/profit
> > >> ratio of these programs?  I'm the mother of a Vandal student and the
> > >> daughter of a Vandal grad.  Both my son and my father contributed
> > >> nothing at
> > >> all to the success of Vandal sports programs, and I'd like to think that
> > >> their academic contributions mattered at least as much as the ability of
> > >> other "students" to throw a football.
> > >> >
> > >> > There's something wrong when even one academic program is cut when
> > >> athletic expenditures are increasing.
> > >> >
> > >> > Keely
> > >> > http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > > Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 11:09:11 -0700
> > >> > > From: bear at moscow.com
> > >> > > To: whayman at roadrunner.com
> > >> > > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com; tiedye at turbonet.com
> > >> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Uncommon reading
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > TYPICAL! we cut academic programs, but God forbid that we cut
> > >> wasteful
> > >> > > athletics! Bubba can PLAY football, he just can't spell it! Is there
> > >> > > something wrong with our local universities turning out  Nobel
> > >> winners
> > >> > > rather than second rate athletes?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > The purpose of the universities, ESPECIALLY the land grant
> > >> universities,
> > >> > > of which both U of I and WSU are, is to EDUCATE not turn out such
> > >> fine
> > >> > > examples of professional athletics as Ryan Leaf!  [Ryan David Leaf
> > >> is a
> > >> > > former American football quarterback who played for the San Diego
> > >> > > Chargers, Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Dallas Cowboys between 1998 and
> > >> 2001.
> > >> > > His brother Brady was a quarterback for the University of Oregon
> > >> Ducks.
> > >> > > Leaf had a successful college career at Washington State University,
> > >> where
> > >> > > he was a finalist for the Heisman Trophy in his junior year. He was
> > >> > > selected as the second overall pick in the 1998 NFL Draft after
> > >> Peyton
> > >> > > Manning of the University of Tennessee, and many scouts predicted he
> > >> would
> > >> > > actually be a better pro than Manning. However, his time as a
> > >> professional
> > >> > > lasted only four years, and was marked by injuries, poor relations
> > >> with
> > >> > > teammates and the media, and poor performance. He is widely regarded
> > >> as
> > >> > > one of the biggest busts in NFL and professional sports history.]
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Before ANY academic programs are cut from a real university, the
> > >> semi-pro
> > >> > > athletics need to be done away with.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Comments?
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> ---------------------------
> > >> > > > So much for the Pollanation of ideas at a land grant institution.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Warren Hayman
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> > > > From: "Dave" <tiedye at turbonet.com>
> > >> > > > To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > >> > > > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 7:19 AM
> > >> > > > Subject: [Vision2020] Uncommon reading
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >> WSU halts "common reading" program.  I guess some clear talk
> > >> about
> > >> our
> > >> > > >> food is too much for some.
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >>
> > >> http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2009/may/21/wsu-drops-reading-program/
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> Maybe they could burn them all in a bonfire and have a weenie
> > >> roast.
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> Dave
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> --
> > >> > > >> Windows, OSX, or Linux is the same choice as:
> > >> > > >> McDonalds, Burger King, or a (real) Co-Op.
> > >> > > >>
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