[Vision2020] Harsh Interrogations

[lfalen]

No I do not think that Hayden lied. It has been well documented that waterboarding was used on three people. What I am questioning is all of the other methods that were reported.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: bear at moscow.com
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:14:36 -0700
To: "lfalen" lfalen at turbonet.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Harsh Interrogations

> SWORN testimony before the US Senate, 5 Feb, 2008:
> 
> George Bush personally authorized waterboarding for at least three
> prisoners. That is now a fact. CIA Director Michael Hayden said this week
> at a senate hearing that the CIA waterboarded 3 detainees. This is bad
> enough by itself, but then on February 6th, Deputy White House Press
> Secretary Tony Fratto explained that the process of waterboarding
> detainees would require the President to approve of the use of the
> technique on a case by case basis.
> 
> 
> Or do you think the Director of the CIA, under oath, lied?
> 
> 
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> > I am saying that waterboarding produces no lasting physical harm and
> > provides information that saves lives. It is a matter of self defense.
> > I could not reply directly to your pervious post. Can you verify that any
> > of the abuses described in the the FBI report that Andreas posted were
> > authorised by a higher authority? If not you just want to believe the
> > worst. I am sick of these unsubstantiated accusations. Do a Warren
> > Commission style investigation and put an end to it.
> > Roger
> >
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: Sunil Ramalingam sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:52:07 -0700
> > To: vision 2020 vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Harsh Interrogations
> >
> >>
> >> What's the difference?  Are you saying torture is legal and physical
> >> mutilation isn't?  That certainly wasn't part of the prior discussion.
> >>
> >> It's illegal, it's wrong.  We managed to defend ourselves in World War
> >> Two without the President issuing orders allowing torture.
> >>
> >> Are you saying we should have authorized torture then?
> >>
> >> You are defending the indefensible.  I can't understand why.
> >>
> >> Sunil
> >>
> >> > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:49:30 -0700
> >> > From: lfalen at turbonet.com
> >> > To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Harsh Interrogations
> >> >
> >> > I am well aware of Hitchen,s opinion.  As I said before it may torture
> >> but it does not raise to the level to physical mutilation.
> >> > Self defense is a basic right. To not do so is suicidal.
> >> > Roger
> >> >
> >> > -----Original message-----
> >> > From: Sunil Ramalingam sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> >> > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:51:02 -0700
> >> > To: vision 2020 vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Harsh Interrogations
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > Roger,
> >> > >
> >> > > The only people claiming that whether waterboarding is torture is
> >> open for debate are people trying to defend the practice. It's
> >> torture, plain and simple.  You referred to Hitchens. He called it
> >> torture after he went through it. Here's a link to an article he
> >> wrote about it:
> >> > >
> >> > > http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/08/hitchens200808
> >> > >
> >> > > I don't know how you can defend it or the use of other torture
> >> techniques.
> >> > >
> >> > > Sunil
> >> > >
> >> > > > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:48:50 -0700
> >> > > > From: lfalen at turbonet.com
> >> > > > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> > > > Subject: [Vision2020] Harsh Interrogations
> >> > > >
> >> > > > All
> >> > > > Looks like you have all been busy since I was last on here.
> >> > > > The reports sited by Andreas do not gel with those I have reported
> >> on here previously.
> >> > > > Every one should be opposed to torture for tortures sake or for
> >> sadistic pleasure(Abu Ghraib).
> >> > > > Whether water boarding is torture or not is open to question. In
> >> any case it does not rise to the level of pulling  out finger
> >> nails or pulling off arms. It it did ,I do not think that Oliver
> >> North and Christopher Hitckens would have submitted to it.
> >> > > > Any so called enhanced interrogations should be used sparingly. It
> >> should only be used in those cases where it might prevent a major
> >> attack.  It should never be a routine practice of the police force
> >> or for that matter of the military.
> >> > > > Tom has relatives in L.A. He might change his mind if there were
> >> all wiped out by an attack on L.A. that could have been prevented.
> >> > > > Roger
> >> > > >
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