[Vision2020] Respect for Lawyers
Donovan Arnold
donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Tue Mar 31 07:16:46 PDT 2009
Don,
I guess we disagree. I think what occupation a person chooses can say a great deal about a person. I also think some professions are more noble than others.
Best Regards,
Donovan
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From: donald edwards <donaledwards at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Respect for Lawyers
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 1:18 PM
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Just to be clear, my 4th grade comment was an emotional response at your attitude toward another (any other) human being. The word "lawyer" in the sentence has no more bearing than a stab at any occupation. I concede the subject line is missing the true point; as are you. People are more than their occupation, so I stand by my comment.
Don
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> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:12:47 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Respect for Lawyers
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com, donald edwards <donaledwards at hotmail.com>
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> Donald,
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> You can call me any fourth grade names you want for me expressing my opinions, including "a disgusting piece of shit.". But please, just don't ever call me a "lawyer". That is an insult I just don't think even "?a disgusting piece of shit" can handle.?Because remember, even "a disgusting piece of shit" eventually produces something beautiful, like a flower,?but a lawyer on the other hand doesn't produce anything at all. ?
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> Best Regards,
> ?
> Donovan
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> --- On Mon, 3/30/09, donald edwards <donaledwards at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> From: donald edwards <donaledwards at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Respect for Lawyers
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 11:26 AM
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> Re. Donovan's Arnold's Comment: "I will be for a WORLD COURT the day we can legally put a bullet in the back of every lawyer's head, because that is only way it would be run ethically, fairly and with the peoples interest at heart."
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> Donnie, We all know that your sarcasm, as my own, is a part of you and sometimes pretty funny or even cute and clever but this comment you made only reflects you to being a disgusting piece of shit.? Whether people make jokes about lawyers, used car salesman, Realtors or Catholic priests; this comment is taking it overboard with no value to your point but for shock and awe.
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> Had to be said, No sarcasm in my statement this time what so ever.
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> Have a great week, Don
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:52:29 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Spanish Court Considering Arrest Warrants
> > for
> > To: vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>, Sunil Ramalingam
> > <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
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> > "If such a thing were to happen, our leaders would likely be tried for violations of our laws."--Sunil
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> > Then why would they need to be extradited? If they are violating the same laws, you are advocating we try them twice for the same crime, once in our courts and once in the world court?
> > ?
> > "#1and 5 would be irrelevant as long as our leaders were proceeding lawfully."
> > ?
> > ?Not true, the US can violate international law in order to protect its own interests.
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> > "As for 6, the rest of us who abide by the law do so despite the inconvenience."
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> > The rest of us are not making major world real time?decisions. I do not want a US General hauled off in the middle of a battle because of "charges" from a previous battle that she make a mistake and killed an old woman crossing the street with a bomb banned in 2007. Nor do I want the Secretary of State hauled off in the middle of UN conference because of a decision she made three months previous not to give aid to Zambia.
> > ?
> > One thing I know is that lawyers can and will argue any law or treaty to mean anything they want and tie up progress and goodwill?for years or decades.
> > ?
> > And you forgot number #2, which is the most important, keeping US National Secrets that government officials know out of the hands of opposing governments.
> > ?
> > It is comical to think we should have a world court. Imagine China being the judge of territorial boundaries. Or Iran seated on the Human Rights Commission.
> > ?
> > I will be for a WORLD COURT the day we can?legally put a bullet in the back of every lawyer's head, because that is only way it would be run ethically, fairly and with the peoples interest at heart.
> > ?
> > Best Regards,
> > ?
> > Donovan
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> > From: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Spanish Court Considering Arrest Warrants for
> > To: "vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 8:42 AM
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> > If such a thing were to happen, our leaders would likely be tried for violations of our laws.? Therefore your concerns # 3 and 4 wouldn't apply. #1and 5 would be irrelevant as long as our leaders were proceeding lawfully. As for 6, the rest of us who abide by the law do so despite the inconvenience.
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> > Sunil
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> > Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 08:11:18 -0700
> > From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> > To: bear at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com; thansen at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Spanish Court Considering Arrest Warrants for
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> > It would be a very bad idea to put OUR leaders up for trial in a Kangaroo World Court for several reasons.
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> > 1) Our leaders are elected to do things that are something bad for other countries.
> > 2) Our leaders hold national security information that could be exhorted from them
> > 3) It allows other nations to determine what?values and beliefs we should hold
> > 4) It allows others to establish laws higher than US laws, which we do not have input into
> > 5) Our elected leaders would be pressured to do what is best for other nations over ours out of fear of punishment.
> > 6) It would inconvenience our leaders from doing their jobs if they could be kidnapped and moved to another country.
> > ?
> > I suggest instead, we try our own leaders and allow other countries to do that same.
> > ?
> > Best Regards,
> > ?
> > Donovan?
> >
> > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Spanish Court Considering Arrest Warrants for
> > To: bear at moscow.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 5:35 PM
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> >
> > Mr. Price -
> >
> > The only "police force" that I feel has it within their jurisdiction would
> > be Interpol.
> >
> > http://www.interpol.int
> >
> > Perhaps a group of nations could file charges with Interpol against George
> > Bush.
> >
> > How would you foresee these nations proceeding against Bush?
> >
> > Tom Hansen
> > Moscow, Idaho
> >
> >
> > > Dear List Readers,
> > >
> > > I'm just throwing this onto the list to see how others feel in regards
> > to the alleged
> > > actions of
> > > the Bush / Cheney? Administration in the matter of possible war crimes.
> > >
> > > Why not turn them over to a responsible, recognized legal tribunal and
> > get this matter
> > > settled
> > > sooner rather than later? If they were willing to carry out the acts,
> > with the advice and
> > > consent
> > > of their legal advisers, why not stand up in the light of the judicial
> > day and defend
> > > their
> > > actions?
> > >
> > > This is NOT a matter of any one country secretly grabbing them as they
> > walk down the
> > > street or
> > > sleep, and bundling them off to a secret prison with no trial or
> > recourse. This is an open
> >
> > > to the
> > > world court proceeding. Think of the message this sends to the rest of
> > the world: The
> > > United
> > > States stands by the actions of it's leaders, and is willing to put them
> > before the world
> > > bar of
> > > justice.
> > >
> > >
> > > Comments?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Wayne M.
> > > Price
> > >
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> > Subject: [Vision2020] Happy Birthday, Slowhand
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