[Vision2020] Liar, Liar Soul on Fire (was RE: House Bill 216 (Pharmacist Conscience Bill)

Fri Mar 20 00:35:10 PDT 2009

Let's add to this and other comments that privacy is NOT an "ACLU- 
given right."

Joe Campbell

On Mar 20, 2009, at 12:43 AM, "Saundra Lund" <sslund_2007 at verizon.net>  
wrote:

> I truly wish Schwaller would quit lying – he knows darn good & well  
> that the scope of HB 216 is far broader than he’s deceptively trying 
>  to portray below.
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> It’s a quick read, really, so Swiller is free to read the actual tex 
> t and then report back to tell all of us who can actually read what  
> part of the bill supports his assertion:  “HB216 deals primarily, if 
>  not exclusively, with the dispensing of Plan B, the so-called morni 
> ng after pill for inducing abortion.  The language I have found stro 
> ngly suggests the target is reproductive-based medication "and other 
>  medications" which are not mentioned.  I'll go out on a limb here a 
> nd assume they too are reproductive-associated medications and not a 
> n asthma inhaler or blood pressure medication, for example.”
>
>
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> http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/legislation/2009/H0216.pdf
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> Saundra Lund
>
> Moscow, ID
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> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people  
> to do nothing.
>
> ~ Edmund Burke
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> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Glenn Schwaller
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:14 PM
> To: vision2020
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] House Bill 216 (Pharmacist Conscience Bill)
>
>
>
> Hmmmm . . . I suspect that once again Moscow Tom is confused over  
> what "really is" as opposed to what he wants something to be, yet  
> another indication of his breadth of his self-aggrandizing and  
> narcissistic inner child.
>
> HB216 deals primarily, if not exclusively, with the dispensing of  
> Plan B, the so-called morning after pill for inducing abortion.  The  
> language I have found strongly suggests the target is reproductive- 
> based medication "and other medications" which are not mentioned.   
> I'll go out on a limb here and assume they too are reproductive- 
> associated medications and not an asthma inhaler or blood pressure  
> medication, for example.
>
> To comment that a pharmacist is going to refuse service because of  
> his or her objection to a particular life-style is as ludicrous as  
> suggesting he or she would do this based on race or religion.  Not  
> that this may not happen in an EXTREMELY isolated incident, but to  
> use this argument as a basis for defeating a bill seems a tad over  
> the top.  Maybe a more learned legal mind would like to comment on  
> how such actions would infringe on an individuals civil rights with  
> respect to these ACLU-given rights.  But I seriously doubt one could  
> construe reproductive choice as a "lifestyle".
>
> On the other hand, if one were to accept MT's argument as valid, I  
> think it is safe to assume that 1) if Pharmacist is aware of Citizen  
> B's sexual orientation he must know Citizen B rather well - or at  
> least in passing.  I think it is also in the realm of possibility  
> that 2) Citizen B would know Pharmacist and his views on Citizen B's  
> life style.  This being the case, 3) Citizen B would more than  
> likely avoid any contact with Pharmacist just to reduce the  
> likelihood of  any potentially ugly situations.  I would further  
> suggest that, unless Citizen B has been wandering about in a stupor  
> and is totally unaware of HB216, said Citizen would avoid Pharmacist  
> like the plague.  These being the cases, if Citizen B chooses to  
> have a prescription filled by someone suspected of being a  
> discriminatory racist pig, then perhaps Pharmacist IS guilty of  a  
> civil rights violation - and Citizen B is guilty of simply being  
> stupid.
>
> GS
>
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>  
> wrote:
>
> Courtesy of the Spokesman Review's blog site.
>
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>
> Pharmacist conscience bill heads for amendment
> at 8:04 a.m. on March 18
>
> Rep. Tom Loertscher’s bill to give pharmacists or “any person”  
> the right
> to refuse to fill a prescription for a patient on the basis of  
> conscience
> is headed for the House’s amending order, to revise the bill so it a 
> pplies
> only to pharmacists - not to cashiers, stores, or others. Rep. Lynn  
> Luker,
> R-Boise, proposed the amendments. “It’s simply a matter of burden  
> of
> proof,” he said. “I don’t think it will change in any way the  
> current
> practices, because people do have that right.” Emotional testimony o 
> n the
> bill stretched for two days before it was approved for amendment on  
> a 14-4
> vote. The testimony included pharmacists and other experts who said  
> Idaho
> pharmacists already have the right to refuse to fill a prescription;  
> Idaho
> has no law requiring them to fill all prescriptions. Among those who
> testified was pharmacist Gloria Hansen, who said, “I do know that we 
>  need
> to act according to our conscience. .. I lean on the rock which is the
> lord God.”
>
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>
> It is truly a sad day in Idaho for those citizens whose ethics,  
> morals,
> and religious beliefs differ from those of their pharmacist.
>
> Query:  If an asthmatic, living in extremely rural Idaho, dependent on
> inhalers for survival, is refused access to such much-needed  
> inhalers, by
> his/her pharmacist, because (s)he is gay or his/her
> ethics/morals/religious beliefs differ from his/her pharmacist's
> ethics/morals/religious beliefs . . . and the asthmatic dies as a
> result . . . is the pharmacist guilty of ANYTHING?
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
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>
> Seeya
> there.
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