<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Let's add to this and other comments that privacy is NOT an "ACLU-given right." <br><br>Joe Campbell</div><div><br>On Mar 20, 2009, at 12:43 AM, "Saundra Lund" <<a href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net">sslund_2007@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
truly wish Schwaller would quit lying – he knows darn good & well that
the scope of HB 216 is far broader than he’s deceptively trying to portray
below.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It’s
a quick read, really, so Swiller is free to read the actual text and then
report back to tell all of us who can actually read what part of the bill
supports his assertion: “</span>HB216 deals primarily, if not
exclusively, with the dispensing of Plan B, the so-called morning after pill
for inducing abortion. The language I have found strongly suggests the
target is reproductive-based medication "and other medications" which
are not mentioned. I'll go out on a limb here and assume they too are
reproductive-associated medications and not an asthma inhaler or blood pressure
medication, for example.”<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a href="http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/legislation/2009/H0216.pdf"><a href="http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/legislation/2009/H0216.pdf">http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/legislation/2009/H0216.pdf</a></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Saundra Lund<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Moscow, ID<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good
people to do nothing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">~ Edmund Burke<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2009
through life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt,
or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written
permission of the author.*****<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>
[<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Glenn Schwaller<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> vision2020<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] House Bill 216 (Pharmacist Conscience Bill)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hmmmm . . . I suspect that once
again Moscow Tom is confused over what "really is" as opposed to what
he wants something to be, yet another indication of his breadth of his
self-aggrandizing and narcissistic inner child. <br>
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HB216 deals primarily, if not exclusively, with the dispensing of Plan B, the
so-called morning after pill for inducing abortion. The language I have
found strongly suggests the target is reproductive-based medication "and
other medications" which are not mentioned. I'll go out on a limb
here and assume they too are reproductive-associated medications and not an
asthma inhaler or blood pressure medication, for example.<br>
<br>
To comment that a pharmacist is going to refuse service because of his or her
objection to a particular life-style is as ludicrous as suggesting he or she
would do this based on race or religion. Not that this may not happen in
an EXTREMELY isolated incident, but to use this argument as a basis for
defeating a bill seems a tad over the top. Maybe a more learned legal
mind would like to comment on how such actions would infringe on an individuals
civil rights with respect to these ACLU-given rights. But I seriously
doubt one could construe reproductive choice as a "lifestyle".<br>
<br>
On the other hand, if one were to accept MT's argument as valid, I think it is
safe to assume that 1) if Pharmacist is aware of Citizen B's sexual orientation
he must know Citizen B rather well - or at least in passing. I think it
is also in the realm of possibility that 2) Citizen B would know Pharmacist and
his views on Citizen B's life style. This being the case, 3) Citizen B
would more than likely avoid any contact with Pharmacist just to reduce the
likelihood of any potentially ugly situations. I would further
suggest that, unless Citizen B has been wandering about in a stupor and is
totally unaware of HB216, said Citizen would avoid Pharmacist like the
plague. These being the cases, if Citizen B chooses to have a
prescription filled by someone suspected of being a discriminatory racist pig,
then perhaps Pharmacist IS guilty of a civil rights violation - and
Citizen B is guilty of simply being stupid.<br>
<br>
GS<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Tom Hansen <<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Courtesy of the Spokesman Review's blog site.<br>
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Pharmacist conscience bill heads for amendment<br>
at 8:04 a.m. on March 18<br>
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Rep. Tom Loertscher’s bill to give pharmacists or “any person”
the right<br>
to refuse to fill a prescription for a patient on the basis of conscience<br>
is headed for the House’s amending order, to revise the bill so it
applies<br>
only to pharmacists - not to cashiers, stores, or others. Rep. Lynn Luker,<br>
R-Boise, proposed the amendments. “It’s simply a matter of burden
of<br>
proof,” he said. “I don’t think it will change in any way the
current<br>
practices, because people do have that right.” Emotional testimony on the<br>
bill stretched for two days before it was approved for amendment on a 14-4<br>
vote. The testimony included pharmacists and other experts who said Idaho<br>
pharmacists already have the right to refuse to fill a prescription; Idaho<br>
has no law requiring them to fill all prescriptions. Among those who<br>
testified was pharmacist Gloria Hansen, who said, “I do know that we need<br>
to act according to our conscience. .. I lean on the rock which is the<br>
lord God.”<br>
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It is truly a sad day in Idaho for those citizens whose ethics, morals,<br>
and religious beliefs differ from those of their pharmacist.<br>
<br>
Query: If an asthmatic, living in extremely rural Idaho, dependent on<br>
inhalers for survival, is refused access to such much-needed inhalers, by<br>
his/her pharmacist, because (s)he is gay or his/her<br>
ethics/morals/religious beliefs differ from his/her pharmacist's<br>
ethics/morals/religious beliefs . . . and the asthmatic dies as a<br>
result . . . is the pharmacist guilty of ANYTHING?<br>
<br>
Seeya round town, Moscow.<br>
<br>
Tom Hansen<br>
Moscow, Idaho<br>
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