[Vision2020] Obama to Rescind Conscience Rule
Donovan Arnold
donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Thu Mar 5 19:13:43 PST 2009
Sue,
I always thought that PhDs were better at finding things that only exist in the imaginary world. :P
Best Regards,
Donovan
--- On Thu, 3/5/09, Sue Hovey <suehovey at moscow.com> wrote:
From: Sue Hovey <suehovey at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Obama to Rescind Conscience Rule
To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>, "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
Cc: "vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 6:26 PM
Given that a PhD is about as likely as an MD to
find yours.
Sue H....
----- Original Message -----
From:
Donovan Arnold
To: Sunil Ramalingam ; Joe
Campbell
Cc: vision 2020
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:08
PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Obama to
Rescind Conscience Rule
You are right, you are not a MD.
I would not
want a PhD in Philosophy touching my uterus. :)
I don't know of
any doctors that give flu shots. Most of them are done by Nurses, LPNs,
and MAs. : )
Best
Regards,
Donovan
--- On Thu, 3/5/09,
Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
wrote:
From:
Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] Obama to Rescind Conscience Rule
To: "Sunil
Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
Cc:
"vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Date:
Thursday, March 5, 2009, 8:20 AM
I'm a doctor and I can tell you that if someone asked me to give
them an abortion I would refuse! Same thing if they asked for a flu
shot. I'm not that kind of doctor!
Joe Campbell
On Mar 5, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:
It appears your opposition to straw men exists only when used
against your arguments. You're employing that argument here,
using such extreme examples as to make them laughable.
Seems
to me the 'conscience rule' as enacted by your former idol was
mainly going to be used to allow pharmacists not to sell
contraceptive pills or devices, not to protect your mythical medical
professionals from performing procedures like
abortions.
Sunil
From: jampot at roadrunner.com
To: godshatter at yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009
20:04:46 -0800
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Obama to Rescind Conscience Rule
The question that everyone
continues to not answer is since when does earning an M.D. or
entering the health care field automatically mean you must perform
or facilitate abortions on demand?
I get the impression from comments you
have made on this forum that you are a computer/internet "guy"
Should you, assuming you would be otherwise
disinclined, be forced to create web sites for
Scientologists, pedophiles, or purveyors of porn?
g
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
Cc: "Bill London" <london at moscow.com>; "Saundra Lund" <sslund_2007 at verizon.net>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:16
PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Obama to
Rescind Conscience Rule
> g. crabtree wrote:
>> "I can
certainly see situations (as Saundra Lund notes) where medical
>> providers, citing their religious beliefs, refuse to
provide prenatal
>> care to various clients, refuse to
give ED medication, refuse to do
>> reconstructive
surgery."
>>
>> I'm thinking that you
imagine the situations more vividly then you
>> might see
them. Let's leave the religious aspect of this discussion
>> aside for a moment. While I find it more then a little
hard to believe
>> that any other then the tiniest
fraction of medical providers would
>> withhold the
services you list, I still would have to ask, so
>> what?
Get a different provider. As I have argued in the past, all
>> purveyors of goods and/or services, whether they be
landlords,
>> physicians, pharmacists, bankers, grocers,
mechanics, or anyone
>> else should be free to decide who
they want to work for and sell to
>> based on whatever
whim strikes their fancy.
>>
>> You're
apparently in favor of the right to be irresponsible. You're in
>> favor of the right to not deal with the consequences of
irresponsible
>> behavior. Above all else you're in favor
of the right to choose. What
>> about my and others
rights? Why does the right to choose supersede
>> everyone
else's right to view innocent life as something special and
>> worthy of protection? What is it about your rights that
are so special
>> that I have to be forced to join with
you in exercising them against
>> my
will?
>>
>> g
>
> Don't
physicians already have the right to quit their jobs and go work
> elsewhere if they feel they are being forced to do
something that goes
> against their conscience? Why do
we need legislation to allow employees
> not to perform their
work duties? I don't particularly like the idea of
>
dialing 911 again and again until I get someone who is not a
Jehovah's
> Witness and is willing to give me a blood
transfusion when I really need
> it for example.
>
> This is similar to the Muslim guy in the news a while back
that refused
> to sell alcoholic beverages at a convenience
store. He's unsuited for
> the job he's in. He
should be fired and replaced with someone who is
> willing to
sell alcohol to adults.
>
> If you're in a job that
might force you to do things you find
> objectionable - find
another job.
>
> Paul
>
>
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