<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Sue,<br><br>I always thought that PhDs were better at finding things that only exist in the imaginary world. :P<br><br>Best Regards,<br><br>Donovan<br><br>--- On <b>Thu, 3/5/09, Sue Hovey <i><suehovey@moscow.com></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">From: Sue Hovey <suehovey@moscow.com><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Obama to Rescind Conscience Rule<br>To: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com, "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam@hotmail.com>, "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe@gmail.com><br>Cc: "vision 2020" <vision2020@moscow.com><br>Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 6:26 PM<br><br><div id="yiv1977959876">
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Given that a PhD is about as likely as an MD to
find yours.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Sue H....</font></div>
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<a rel="nofollow" title="donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">Sunil Ramalingam</a> ; <a rel="nofollow" title="philosopher.joe@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe
Campbell</a> </div>
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<td valign="top">You are right, you are not a MD.<br><br> I would not
want a PhD in Philosophy touching my uterus. :)<br><br>I don't know of
any doctors that give flu shots. Most of them are done by Nurses, LPNs,
and MAs. : )<br><br>Best
Regards,<br><br>Donovan<br><br><br><br><br><br>--- On <b>Thu, 3/5/09,
Joe Campbell <i><<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>></i></b>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;">From:
Joe Campbell <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] Obama to Rescind Conscience Rule<br>To: "Sunil
Ramalingam" <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>><br>Cc:
"vision 2020" <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br>Date:
Thursday, March 5, 2009, 8:20 AM<br><br>
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<div>I'm a doctor and I can tell you that if someone asked me to give
them an abortion I would refuse! Same thing if they asked for a flu
shot. I'm not that kind of doctor!<br><br>Joe Campbell</div>
<div><br>On Mar 5, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Sunil Ramalingam <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div>
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<div>It appears your opposition to straw men exists only when used
against your arguments. You're employing that argument here,
using such extreme examples as to make them laughable.<br><br>Seems
to me the 'conscience rule' as enacted by your former idol was
mainly going to be used to allow pharmacists not to sell
contraceptive pills or devices, not to protect your mythical medical
professionals from performing procedures like
abortions.<br><br>Sunil<br><br>
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From: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"></a><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a><br>To: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"></a><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a><br>Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009
20:04:46 -0800<br>CC: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></a><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Obama to Rescind Conscience Rule<br><br>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">The question that everyone
continues to not answer is since when does earning an M.D. or
entering the health care field automatically mean you must perform
or facilitate abortions on demand?</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">I get the impression from comments you
have made on this forum that you are a computer/internet "guy"
Should you, assuming you would be otherwise
disinclined, be forced to create web sites for
Scientologists, pedophiles, or purveyors of porn? </font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">g</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">----- Original Message ----- </font>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">From: "Paul Rumelhart" <</font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><font size="2" face="Arial">godshatter@yahoo.com</font></a><font size="2" face="Arial">></font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">To: "g. crabtree" <</font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><font size="2" face="Arial">jampot@roadrunner.com</font></a><font size="2" face="Arial">></font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Cc: "Bill London" <</font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:london@moscow.com"><font size="2" face="Arial">london@moscow.com</font></a><font size="2" face="Arial">>; "Saundra Lund" <</font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net"><font size="2" face="Arial">sslund_2007@verizon.net</font></a><font size="2" face="Arial">>; <</font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><font size="2" face="Arial">vision2020@moscow.com</font></a><font size="2" face="Arial">></font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:16
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Obama to
Rescind Conscience Rule</font></div></div>
<div><font face="Arial"><br><font size="2"></font></font></div><font size="2" face="Arial">> g. crabtree wrote:<br>>> "I can
certainly see situations (as Saundra Lund notes) where medical
<br>>> providers, citing their religious beliefs, refuse to
provide prenatal <br>>> care to various clients, refuse to
give ED medication, refuse to do <br>>> reconstructive
surgery."<br>>> <br>>> I'm thinking that you
imagine the situations more vividly then you <br>>> might see
them. Let's leave the religious aspect of this discussion
<br>>> aside for a moment. While I find it more then a little
hard to believe <br>>> that any other then the tiniest
fraction of medical providers would <br>>> withhold the
services you list, I still would have to ask, so <br>>> what?
Get a different provider. As I have argued in the past, all
<br>>> purveyors of goods and/or services, whether they be
landlords, <br>>> physicians, pharmacists, bankers, grocers,
mechanics, or anyone <br>>> else should be free to decide who
they want to work for and sell to <br>>> based on whatever
whim strikes their fancy.<br>>> <br>>> You're
apparently in favor of the right to be irresponsible. You're in
<br>>> favor of the right to not deal with the consequences of
irresponsible <br>>> behavior. Above all else you're in favor
of the right to choose. What <br>>> about my and others
rights? Why does the right to choose supersede <br>>> everyone
else's right to view innocent life as something special and
<br>>> worthy of protection? What is it about your rights that
are so special <br>>> that I have to be forced to join with
you in exercising them against <br>>> my
will?<br>>> <br>>> g<br>> <br>> Don't
physicians already have the right to quit their jobs and go work
<br>> elsewhere if they feel they are being forced to do
something that goes <br>> against their conscience? Why do
we need legislation to allow employees <br>> not to perform their
work duties? I don't particularly like the idea of <br>>
dialing 911 again and again until I get someone who is not a
Jehovah's <br>> Witness and is willing to give me a blood
transfusion when I really need <br>> it for example.<br>>
<br>> This is similar to the Muslim guy in the news a while back
that refused <br>> to sell alcoholic beverages at a convenience
store. He's unsuited for <br>> the job he's in. He
should be fired and replaced with someone who is <br>> willing to
sell alcohol to adults.<br>> <br>> If you're in a job that
might force you to do things you find <br>> objectionable - find
another job.<br>> <br>> Paul<br>> <br>></font>
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