[Vision2020] Obama to Rescind Conscience Rule

[Joe Campbell]

I'm a doctor and I can tell you that if someone asked me to give them  
an abortion I would refuse! Same thing if they asked for a flu shot.  
I'm not that kind of doctor!

Joe Campbell

On Mar 5, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com 
 > wrote:

> It appears your opposition to straw men exists only when used  
> against your arguments.  You're employing that argument here, using  
> such extreme examples as to make them laughable.
>
> Seems to me the 'conscience rule' as enacted by your former idol was  
> mainly going to be used to allow pharmacists not to sell  
> contraceptive pills or devices, not to protect your mythical medical  
> professionals from performing procedures like abortions.
>
> Sunil
>
> From: jampot at roadrunner.com
> To: godshatter at yahoo.com
> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 20:04:46 -0800
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Obama to Rescind Conscience Rule
>
> The question  that everyone continues to not answer is since when  
> does earning an M.D.  or entering the health care field  
> automatically mean you must perform or facilitate abortions on demand?
>
> I get the impression from comments you have made on this forum that  
> you are a computer/internet "guy" Should you, assuming you would be  
> otherwise disinclined, be forced to create web sites for  
> Scientologists, pedophiles, or purveyors of porn?
>
> g
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> Cc: "Bill London" <london at moscow.com>; "Saundra Lund" <sslund_2007 at verizon.net 
> >; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Obama to Rescind Conscience Rule
>
> > g. crabtree wrote:
> >>  "I can certainly see situations  (as Saundra Lund notes) where  
> medical
> >> providers, citing their religious beliefs, refuse to provide  
> prenatal
> >> care to various clients, refuse to give ED medication, refuse to do
> >> reconstructive surgery."
> >>
> >> I'm thinking that you imagine the situations more vividly then you
> >> might see them. Let's leave the religious aspect of this discussion
> >> aside for a moment. While I find it more then a little hard to  
> believe
> >> that any other then the tiniest fraction of medical providers would
> >> withhold the services you list, I still would have to ask, so
> >> what? Get a different provider. As I have argued in the past, all
> >> purveyors of goods and/or services, whether they be landlords,
> >> physicians, pharmacists, bankers, grocers, mechanics, or anyone
> >> else should be free to decide who they want to work for and sell to
> >> based on whatever whim strikes their fancy.
> >>
> >> You're apparently in favor of the right to be irresponsible.  
> You're in
> >> favor of the right to not deal with the consequences of  
> irresponsible
> >> behavior. Above all else you're in favor of the right to choose.  
> What
> >> about my and others rights? Why does the right to choose supersede
> >> everyone else's right to view innocent life as something special  
> and
> >> worthy of protection? What is it about your rights that are so  
> special
> >> that I have to be forced to join with you in exercising them  
> against
> >> my will?
> >>
> >> g
> >
> > Don't physicians already have the right to quit their jobs and go  
> work
> > elsewhere if they feel they are being forced to do something that  
> goes
> > against their conscience?  Why do we need legislation to allow  
> employees
> > not to perform their work duties?  I don't particularly like the  
> idea of
> > dialing 911 again and again until I get someone who is not a  
> Jehovah's
> > Witness and is willing to give me a blood transfusion when I  
> really need
> > it for example.
> >
> > This is similar to the Muslim guy in the news a while back that  
> refused
> > to sell alcoholic beverages at a convenience store.  He's unsuited  
> for
> > the job he's in.  He should be fired and replaced with someone who  
> is
> > willing to sell alcohol to adults.
> >
> > If you're in a job that might force you to do things you find
> > objectionable - find another job.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
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