<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>I'm a doctor and I can tell you that if someone asked me to give them an abortion I would refuse! Same thing if they asked for a flu shot. I'm not that kind of doctor!<br><br>Joe Campbell</div><div><br>On Mar 5, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Sunil Ramalingam <<a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
It appears your opposition to straw men exists only when used against your arguments. You're employing that argument here, using such extreme examples as to make them laughable.<br><br>Seems to me the 'conscience rule' as enacted by your former idol was mainly going to be used to allow pharmacists not to sell contraceptive pills or devices, not to protect your mythical medical professionals from performing procedures like abortions.<br><br>Sunil<br><br><hr id="stopSpelling">From: <a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a></a><br>To: <a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a></a><br>Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 20:04:46 -0800<br>CC: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Obama to Rescind Conscience Rule<br><br>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">The question that everyone continues to not
answer is since when does earning an M.D. or entering the health care
field automatically mean you must perform or facilitate abortions on
demand?</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">I get the impression from comments you have made on
this forum that you are a computer/internet "guy" Should you, assuming
you would be otherwise disinclined, be forced to create web sites
for Scientologists, pedophiles, or purveyors of porn? </font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">g</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">From: "Paul Rumelhart" <</font><a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><font size="2" face="Arial">godshatter@yahoo.com</font></a><font size="2" face="Arial">></font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">To: "g. crabtree" <</font><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><font size="2" face="Arial">jampot@roadrunner.com</font></a><font size="2" face="Arial">></font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Cc: "Bill London" <</font><a href="mailto:london@moscow.com"><font size="2" face="Arial">london@moscow.com</font></a><font size="2" face="Arial">>; "Saundra Lund"
<</font><a href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net"><font size="2" face="Arial">sslund_2007@verizon.net</font></a><font size="2" face="Arial">>;
<</font><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><font size="2" face="Arial">vision2020@moscow.com</font></a><font size="2" face="Arial">></font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:16
PM</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Obama to Rescind
Conscience Rule</font></div></div>
<div><font face="Arial"><br><font size="2"></font></font></div><font size="2" face="Arial">> g. crabtree wrote:<br>>> "I can certainly see situations
(as Saundra Lund notes) where medical <br>>> providers, citing their
religious beliefs, refuse to provide prenatal <br>>> care to various
clients, refuse to give ED medication, refuse to do <br>>> reconstructive
surgery."<br>>> <br>>> I'm thinking that you imagine the
situations more vividly then you <br>>> might see them. Let's leave the
religious aspect of this discussion <br>>> aside for a moment. While I
find it more then a little hard to believe <br>>> that any other then the
tiniest fraction of medical providers would <br>>> withhold the services
you list, I still would have to ask, so <br>>> what? Get a different
provider. As I have argued in the past, all <br>>> purveyors of goods
and/or services, whether they be landlords, <br>>> physicians,
pharmacists, bankers, grocers, mechanics, or anyone <br>>> else should be
free to decide who they want to work for and sell to <br>>> based on
whatever whim strikes their fancy.<br>>> <br>>> You're
apparently in favor of the right to be irresponsible. You're in <br>>>
favor of the right to not deal with the consequences of irresponsible
<br>>> behavior. Above all else you're in favor of the right to choose.
What <br>>> about my and others rights? Why does the right to choose
supersede <br>>> everyone else's right to view innocent life as something
special and <br>>> worthy of protection? What is it about your rights that
are so special <br>>> that I have to be forced to join with you in
exercising them against <br>>> my will?<br>>> <br>>>
g<br>> <br>> Don't physicians already have the right to quit their jobs
and go work <br>> elsewhere if they feel they are being forced to do
something that goes <br>> against their conscience? Why do we need
legislation to allow employees <br>> not to perform their work duties?
I don't particularly like the idea of <br>> dialing 911 again and again until
I get someone who is not a Jehovah's <br>> Witness and is willing to give me
a blood transfusion when I really need <br>> it for example.<br>> <br>>
This is similar to the Muslim guy in the news a while back that refused <br>>
to sell alcoholic beverages at a convenience store. He's unsuited for
<br>> the job he's in. He should be fired and replaced with someone who
is <br>> willing to sell alcohol to adults.<br>> <br>> If you're in a
job that might force you to do things you find <br>> objectionable - find
another job.<br>> <br>> Paul<br>> <br>></font>
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