[Vision2020] Warning From Copenhagen: 2500 Participants: 1400Scientific Presentations: Warming Irreversible For a Thousand Years
Jo Campbell
philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Mon Jun 29 07:45:27 PDT 2009
The number of scientists who accept global warming is overwhelming,
not tens like you acknowledge. If your list is supposed to make a
point, then why wouldn't the other list make an even stronger point?
Joe Campbell
On Jun 29, 2009, at 7:14 AM, "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
wrote:
> No. My point is that scientists with credentials every bit as worthy
> as those of Mr. Moffitts heroes have an alternate view. Is it your
> suggestion that reality is created by consensus?
>
> g
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> >
> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> Cc: "Ted Moffett" <starbliss at gmail.com>; "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com
> >
> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 6:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Warning From Copenhagen: 2500
> Participants: 1400Scientific Presentations: Warming Irreversible For
> a Thousand Years
>
>
> Is the suggestion that the more famous people who believe something,
> the likelier it is to be true. Because there are a heck of a lot more
> folks in the know who accept global warming.
>
> Joe Campbell
>
> On Jun 28, 2009, at 6:48 PM, "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
>
>> So, what makes Stefan Rahmstorf, "A physicist and oceanographer by
>> training," a more credible voice on "the anthropogenic climate
>> crisis" then:
>>
>> Dr. David Bromwich—president of the International Commission on Po
>> l ar
>> Meteorology?
>>
>> or
>>
>> Prof. Hendrik Tennekes—director of research, Royal Netherlands
>> Meteorological Institute?
>>
>> or
>>
>> Dr. Christopher Landsea—past chairman of the American Meteorologi
>> cal
>> Society's Committee on Tropical Meteorology and Tropical Cyclones?
>>
>> or
>>
>> Dr. Antonino Zichichi—one of the world's foremost physicists, for
>> mer
>> president of the European Physical Society, who discovered nuclear
>> antimatter?
>>
>> or
>>
>> Dr. Zbigniew Jaworowski—world-renowned expert on the ancient ice c
>> or es used
>> in climate research?
>>
>> or
>>
>> Prof. Tom V. Segalstad—head of the Geological Museum, University o
>> f Oslo?
>>
>> or
>>
>> Dr. Syun-Ichi Akasofu—founding director of the International Arcti
>> c Research
>> Center, twice named one of the "1,000 Most Cited Scientists?
>>
>> or
>>
>> Dr. Claude Allegre—member, U.S. National Academy of Sciences and F
>> re nch
>> Academy of Science?
>>
>> or
>>
>> Dr. Richard Lindzen—Professor of Meteorology at M.I.T., member, th
>> e National
>> Research Council Board on Atmospheric Sciences and Climate?
>>
>> or
>>
>> Dr. Richard Tol—Principal researcher at the Institute for Environm
>> en tal
>> Studies at Vrije Universiteit, and Adjunct Professor at the Center
>> for
>> Integrated Study of the Human Dimensions of Global Change, at
>> Carnegie
>> Mellon University?
>>
>> or
>>
>> Prof. Freeman Dyson—one of the world's most eminent physicists?
>>
>> g
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Ted Moffett
>> To: Moscow Vision 2020
>> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 5:55 PM
>> Subject: [Vision2020] Warning From Copenhagen: 2500 Participants:
>> 1400Scientific Presentations: Warming Irreversible For a Thousand
>> Years
>>
>>
>> It would be wonderful progress if all those in public political
>> positions,
>> who have no specialized expertise in climate science (or those
>> few, if any,
>> who might), would publicly address the anthropogenic climate crisis,
>> conceding that the consensus among currently publishing climate
>> scientists
>> (in credible peer reviewed journals) is overwhelming that humans are
>> altering climate in a potentially catastrophic manner. Everyone in
>> public
>> political life who publicly minimizes this danger, offering
>> support to the
>> claim that there is substantial scientific evidence that the
>> consensus
>> position among climate scientists is seriously doubtful, is part
>> of the
>> problem, rather than the solution. The more citizens who demand
>> action to
>> address anthropogenic climate change, the easier it will be for the
>> private
>> and public sectors to address the problem:
>>
>> Article "A Warning From Copenhagen" below from climate scientist
>> Stefan
>> Rahmstorf. Rahmstorf's bio:
>>
>> http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=53
>> A physicist and oceanographer by training, Stefan Rahmstorf has
>> moved from
>> early work in general relativity theory to working on climate issues.
>> He has done research at the New Zealand Oceanographic Institute,
>> at the
>> Institute of Marine Science in Kiel and since 1996 at the Potsdam
>> Institute
>> for Climate Impact Research in Germany (in Potsdam near Berlin).
>> His work focuses on the role of ocean currents in climate change,
>> past and
>> present.
>> In 1999 Rahmstorf was awarded the $ 1 million Centennial
>> Fellowship Award of
>> the US-based James S. McDonnell foundation.
>> Since 2000 he teaches physics of the oceans as a professor at Potsdam
>> University.
>> -----------
>> A warning from Copenhagen
>> Filed under:
>> Reporting on climate
>> Climate Science
>> — stefan
>>
>> http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/06/a-warning-from-copenhagen/#more-690
>>
>> In March the biggest climate conference of the year took place in
>> Copenhagen: 2500 participants from 80 countries, 1400 scientific
>> presentations. Last week, the Synthesis Report of the Copenhagen
>> Congress
>> was handed over to the Danish Prime Minister Rasmussen in Brussels.
>> Denmark
>> will host the decisive round of negotiations on the new climate
>> protection
>> agreement this coming December.
>> The climate congress was organised by a "star alliance" of research
>> universities: Copenhagen, Yale, Berkeley, Oxford, Cambridge, Tokyo,
>> Beijing - to name a few. The Synthesis Report is the most important
>> update
>> of climate science since the 2007 IPCC report.
>> So what does it say? Our regular readers will hardly be surprised
>> by the key
>> findings from physical climate science, most of which we have already
>> discussed here. Some aspects of climate change are progressing
>> faster than
>> was expected a few years ago - such as rising sea levels, the
>> increase of
>> heat stored in the ocean and the shrinking Arctic sea ice. "The
>> updated
>> estimates of the future global mean sea level rise are about
>> double the IPCC
>> projections from 2007″, says the new report. And it points out tha
>> t any
>> warming caused will be virtually irreversible for at least a thousand
>> years - because of the long residence time of CO2 in the atmosphere.
>> Perhaps more interestingly, the congress also brought together
>> economists
>> and social scientists researching the consequences of climate
>> change and
>> analysing possible solutions. Here, the report emphasizes once
>> again that a
>> warming beyond 2ºC is a dangerous thing:
>> Temperature rises above 2ºC will be difficult for contemporary soc
>> ie ties to
>> cope with, and are likely to cause major societal and environmental
>> disruptions through the rest of the century and beyond.
>> (Incidentally, by now 124 nations have officially declared their
>> support for
>> the goal of limiting warming to 2ºC or less, including the EU - but
>> unfortunately not yet the US.)
>> ------------------------------------------
>> Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett
>>
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