[Vision2020] Warning From Copenhagen: 2500 Participants: 1400Scientific Presentations: Warming Irreversible For a Thousand Years

[g. crabtree]

No. My point is that scientists with credentials every bit as worthy as 
those of Mr. Moffitts heroes have an alternate view. Is it your suggestion 
that reality is created by consensus?

g
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jo Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
Cc: "Ted Moffett" <starbliss at gmail.com>; "Moscow Vision 2020" 
<vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 6:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Warning From Copenhagen: 2500 Participants: 
1400Scientific Presentations: Warming Irreversible For a Thousand Years


Is the suggestion that the more famous people who believe something,
the likelier it is to be true. Because there are a heck of a lot more
folks in the know who accept global warming.

Joe Campbell

On Jun 28, 2009, at 6:48 PM, "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

> So, what makes Stefan Rahmstorf, "A physicist and oceanographer by
> training," a more credible voice on "the anthropogenic climate  crisis" 
> then:
>
> Dr. David Bromwich—president of the International Commission on Pol ar
> Meteorology?
>
> or
>
> Prof. Hendrik Tennekes—director of research, Royal Netherlands
> Meteorological Institute?
>
> or
>
> Dr. Christopher Landsea—past chairman of the American Meteorological
> Society's Committee on Tropical Meteorology and Tropical Cyclones?
>
> or
>
> Dr. Antonino Zichichi—one of the world's foremost physicists, former
> president of the European Physical Society, who discovered nuclear
> antimatter?
>
> or
>
> Dr. Zbigniew Jaworowski—world-renowned expert on the ancient ice cor es 
> used
> in climate research?
>
> or
>
> Prof. Tom V. Segalstad—head of the Geological Museum, University of  Oslo?
>
> or
>
> Dr. Syun-Ichi Akasofu—founding director of the International Arctic 
> Research
> Center, twice named one of the "1,000 Most Cited Scientists?
>
> or
>
> Dr. Claude Allegre—member, U.S. National Academy of Sciences and Fre nch
> Academy of Science?
>
> or
>
> Dr. Richard Lindzen—Professor of Meteorology at M.I.T., member, the 
> National
> Research Council Board on Atmospheric Sciences and Climate?
>
> or
>
> Dr. Richard Tol—Principal researcher at the Institute for Environmen tal
> Studies at Vrije Universiteit, and Adjunct Professor at the Center for
> Integrated Study of the Human Dimensions of Global Change, at Carnegie
> Mellon University?
>
> or
>
> Prof. Freeman Dyson—one of the world's most eminent physicists?
>
> g
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ted Moffett
> To: Moscow Vision 2020
> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 5:55 PM
> Subject: [Vision2020] Warning From Copenhagen: 2500 Participants:
> 1400Scientific Presentations: Warming Irreversible For a Thousand  Years
>
>
> It would be wonderful progress if all those in public political 
> positions,
> who have no specialized expertise in climate science (or those few,  if 
> any,
> who might), would publicly address the anthropogenic climate crisis,
> conceding that the consensus among currently publishing climate 
> scientists
> (in credible peer reviewed journals) is overwhelming that humans are
> altering climate in a potentially catastrophic manner.  Everyone in 
> public
> political life who publicly minimizes this danger, offering support  to 
> the
> claim that there is substantial scientific evidence that the consensus
> position among climate scientists is seriously doubtful, is part of  the
> problem, rather than the solution.  The more citizens who demand  action 
> to
> address anthropogenic climate change, the easier it will be for the 
> private
> and public sectors to address the problem:
>
> Article "A Warning From Copenhagen" below from climate scientist  Stefan
> Rahmstorf.  Rahmstorf's bio:
>
> http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=53
> A physicist and oceanographer by training, Stefan Rahmstorf has  moved 
> from
> early work in general relativity theory to working on climate issues.
> He has done research at the New Zealand Oceanographic Institute, at  the
> Institute of Marine Science in Kiel and since 1996 at the Potsdam 
> Institute
> for Climate Impact Research in Germany (in Potsdam near Berlin).
> His work focuses on the role of ocean currents in climate change,  past 
> and
> present.
> In 1999 Rahmstorf was awarded the $ 1 million Centennial Fellowship  Award 
> of
> the US-based James S. McDonnell foundation.
> Since 2000 he teaches physics of the oceans as a professor at Potsdam
> University.
> -----------
> A warning from Copenhagen
> Filed under:
> Reporting on climate
> Climate Science
> — stefan
>
> http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/06/a-warning-from-copenhagen/#more-690
>
> In March the biggest climate conference of the year took place in
> Copenhagen: 2500 participants from 80 countries, 1400 scientific
> presentations. Last week, the Synthesis Report of the Copenhagen  Congress
> was handed over to the Danish Prime Minister Rasmussen in Brussels. 
> Denmark
> will host the decisive round of negotiations on the new climate 
> protection
> agreement this coming December.
> The climate congress was organised by a "star alliance" of research
> universities: Copenhagen, Yale, Berkeley, Oxford, Cambridge, Tokyo,
> Beijing - to name a few. The Synthesis Report is the most important 
> update
> of climate science since the 2007 IPCC report.
> So what does it say? Our regular readers will hardly be surprised by  the 
> key
> findings from physical climate science, most of which we have already
> discussed here. Some aspects of climate change are progressing  faster 
> than
> was expected a few years ago - such as rising sea levels, the  increase of
> heat stored in the ocean and the shrinking Arctic sea ice. "The  updated
> estimates of the future global mean sea level rise are about double  the 
> IPCC
> projections from 2007″, says the new report. And it points out that  any
> warming caused will be virtually irreversible for at least a thousand
> years - because of the long residence time of CO2 in the atmosphere.
> Perhaps more interestingly, the congress also brought together  economists
> and social scientists researching the consequences of climate change  and
> analysing possible solutions. Here, the report emphasizes once again  that 
> a
> warming beyond 2ºC is a dangerous thing:
> Temperature rises above 2ºC will be difficult for contemporary socie ties 
> to
> cope with, and are likely to cause major societal and environmental
> disruptions through the rest of the century and beyond.
> (Incidentally, by now 124 nations have officially declared their  support 
> for
> the goal of limiting warming to 2ºC or less, including the EU - but
> unfortunately not yet the US.)
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