[Vision2020] Moscow City Council Committee Agendas for Monday
bear at moscow.com
bear at moscow.com
Thu Jun 18 18:09:16 PDT 2009
Mark,
Bucers and Mingles have handled the problem without the need of City
Council intervention.
Bucers had done it using spatial segregation, and Mingles have installed
air scrubbers, but that's apparently not good enough for those that know
better here in the community. it is local legislation like this one that
causes local city councils to be looked upon with derision, and rightly
so!
People already vote with their feet and pocketbooks when it comes to this
type of establishment. How much public money is going to be wasted on
it's enforcement? Imagine the Moscow Police Department wading into a crowd
at the Beach to write "smoking" tickets.
Something else that tends to occur in jurisdictions are called
"smokeasys", and there is also the option of turning an establishment into
a "private club", where only "members" can enter. Pay your .50 cents and
you can be a member of a "private club" for a day!
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> Why the ban on smoking in bars and not restaurants? Why the inclusion of
> restaurants in the definitions, but no mention of them anywhere else in
> Sec.
> 1-23? What is it I'm not understanding?
>
> AZ implemented a smoking ban pre-2005 and sidewalks get littered with
> butts
> just outside establishment doors. That's where smokers will tend to
> congregate too (we are social beings.) I remember visiting a restaurant
> in
> IN that had a cloud of smoke upon entering and it was very annoying.
> Smoking has kept me out of bars most of my life, but it seems to me that
> Bucer's has a good idea of spatial [& HVAC system] segregation for smokers
> &
> non-smokers. A ban just shifts the smoking location without addressing
> the
> annoyances for patrons nor the freedoms of proprietors. I have yet to see
> bans work well...easy solutions to complex problems rarely do.
>
> mark r. seman, architect
> www.baukunst.us
> 928.925.7617
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> To: <bear at moscow.com>
> Cc: "v2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 3:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Moscow City Council Committee Agendas for Monday
>
>
>> http://tinyurl.com/SmokingBanDraft
>>
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>>
>>> Stephanie,
>>>
>>> The Agenda you posted on Vision 2020 references a "draft" of a
>>> proposed
>>> smoking ban in bars in Moscow, but doesn't attach the draft as stated.
>>>
>>> Can you please post that draft?
>>>
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>>>> **PLEASE NOTE THE TIME CHANGE FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS/FINANCE COMMITTEE
>>>> TO
>>>> 4:00 P.M.**
>>>> AGENDA
>>>> CITY OF MOSCOW
>>>> ADMINISTRATIVE COMMITTEE
>>>> Monday, June 22, 2009
>>>> 3:00 p.m.
>>>> CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS
>>>> 206 East 3rd Street, Second Floor
>>>>
>>>> 1. Approval of Minutes June 8, 2009 - Stephanie Kalasz
>>>> 2. Draft Ordinance Banning Smoking in Bars - Randy Fife
>>>> Recently a request was made to City Council to produce an ordinance
>>>> prohibiting smoking in bars within the City. Attached please find a
>>>> first draft of an ordinance which defines the word "bar" and prohibits
>>>> smoking therein. It also establishes an administrative "remedy" which
>>>> allows a defendant to pay an administrative fine within fourteen (14)
>>>> days of receipt of the notice of violation in exchange for a reduction
>>>> in cost (for up to three [3] violations). In the event the
>>>> administrative fine is not paid within fourteen (14) days, MPD will
>>>> issue a Uniform Citation and file it with the Magistrate's court. A
>>>> person found in violation of the ordinance will pay an infraction
>>>> penalty of fifty dollars $50 for each conviction up to and including a
>>>> third conviction. A fourth conviction and above will result in a
>>>> misdemeanor and a probable fine of $188, with no jail time. Reviewed
>>>> by
>>>> the Sustainable Environment Committee on June 16, 2009.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ACTION: Consider first draft of ordinance and give direction to
>>>> staff.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Reports
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Future Agenda Items
>>>>
>>>> Policy & Procedure for Closing of Main Street
>>>>
>>>> Business Registration / Business Licenses - Travis Cary
>>>>
>>>> Salisbury Park Naming Request - Dwight Curtis (8/10)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> NOTICE: Individuals attending the meeting who require special
>>>> assistance to accommodate physical, hearing, or other impairments,
>>>> please contact the City Clerk, at (208) 883-7015 or TDD 883-7019, as
>>>> soon as possible so that arrangements may be made.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> AGENDA
>>>>
>>>> CITY OF MOSCOW
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> PUBLIC WORKS/FINANCE COMMITTEE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Monday, June 22, 2009
>>>> **PLEASE NOTE TIME CHANGE 4:00 p.m.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 206 East 3rd Street, 2nd Floor
>>>>
>>>> 1. Approval of Minutes of June 8, 2009 - Stephanie Kalasz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2. Lot 13, Block 4 Rolling Hills 7th Lot Division - Mike Ray
>>>>
>>>> Mark McGurkin is requesting a lot division for a 17,314 sq ft parcel
>>>> of
>>>> land located at the northern terminus of Panorama Drive and legally
>>>> described as Lot 13 Block 4 of the Rolling Hills 7th Addition to the
>>>> City of Moscow. The northeast portion of this lot was recently annexed
>>>> into the City of Moscow, Rezoned from Agriculture/Forestry to
>>>> Moderate-Density Residential (R-2), and received a Comprehensive Plan
>>>> designation of Low-Density Residential (LR). Mr. McGurkin is
>>>> requesting
>>>> to divide the parcel into two separate lots, the western being 9,276
>>>> sq
>>>> ft and the eastern being 8,038 sq ft as shown on the attached map.
>>>> Both
>>>> lots will meet all applicable zoning requirements, exceeding the 7,000
>>>> sq ft minimum lot area and sixty foot (60') minimum lot width
>>>> requirements.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ACTION: Take public comment if applicable and recommend approval of
>>>> the
>>>> lot division or take such other action deemed appropriate.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 3. Downtown Parking Implementation Discussion - Les MacDonald
>>>>
>>>> In previous meetings staff has presented an overview of the Downtown
>>>> Parking Implementation Committee's recommendations on potential
>>>> revisions to the existing parking system. The topic was discussed at
>>>> the May 26th PW/F Committee meeting and at the City Council meetings
>>>> on
>>>> June 1st and 15th. An open house was held at the request of the PW/F
>>>> Committee on June 9th. At the June 15th Council meeting the Council
>>>> directed the topic back to the PW/F Committee to make a recommendation
>>>> regarding the original proposed revisions and the possible
>>>> alternatives
>>>> presented at the June 15th meeting in response to public input.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ACTION: The Committee will need to address several aspects of the
>>>> proposal as outlined in the packet information and provide
>>>> recommendations to the City Council for consideration.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Reports
>>>>
>>>> Grants Update - Alisa Stone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Future Agenda Items:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> NOTICE: Individuals attending the meeting who require special
>>>> assistance to accommodate physical, hearing, or other impairments,
>>>> please contact the City Clerk, at (208) 883-7015 or TDD 883-7019, as
>>>> soon as possible so that arrangements may be made.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stephanie Kalasz, CMC
>>>>
>>>> Moscow City Clerk
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to
>> change
>> and the Realist adjusts his sails."
>>
>> - Unknown
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