[Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate

Sun Jun 14 15:17:30 PDT 2009

Joe, I've written you off line to point out that perhaps you're taking this too personally and criticizing people who haven't done anything to tick you off like this.  Now I'm going to go public with my sincere hope that you stop assuming that everyone who disagrees with you on this point is either a slavery defender, locked into or indebted to the Wilson camp, or simply just bad.

You have contributed a lot to this forum, but I think your snarling at Dan, below, isn't fair to him and doesn't further the conversation.  He was making a wry observation -- a joke -- and I wonder if you really intended to make the discussion about media bias an invitation to lash out like this.

I'm sure this will anger you further, but I think you've been unfair to Dan.

Keely
http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/

> From: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> To: areaman at moscow.com
> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 14:26:32 -0700
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate
> 
> Is it that I'm biased or that you are too afraid to buck the Wilson  
> camp for fear of losing votes?
> 
> Well, we can test it.
> 
> Don't you think that Wilson's revisionism about US slavery is just as  
> bad as the denial of the holocaust; if not, why not?
> 
> My guess is you won't answer this question -- which is a bit of the  
> very problem I'm trying to note.
> 
> Joe Campbell
> 
> On Jun 14, 2009, at 1:27 PM, "Dan Carscallen" <areaman at moscow.com>  
> wrote:
> 
> > Joe,
> >
> > Your bias is showing.
> >
> > DC
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> > [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Joe Campbell
> > Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:21 PM
> > To: g. crabtree
> > Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate
> >
> > I haven't heard of half these people. Of these, most are not
> > mainstream in the Fox is; of the others they are not as bad as Fox.
> > Nor do I expect someone who defends Wilson's book in slavery to be
> > able to notice how offensive Fox is.
> >
> > Joe Campbell
> >
> > On Jun 14, 2009, at 10:41 AM, "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> If you imagine that MSNBC with Olbermann, Madow, and Mathews,
> >> Newsweek and Evan Thomas, and taxpayer funded NPR with Jeffery
> >> Dvorkin, Nina Totenberg, Terry Gross and Michele Norris doesn't put
> >> a particularly and decidedly liberal spin on its "information" then
> >> you're even thicker than I previously imagined. No mean feat, that.
> >>
> >> g
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Campbell"
> > <philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> >>>
> >> To: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> >> Cc: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 5:41 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate
> >>
> >>
> >>> Paul,
> >>>
> >>> And what does this have to do with anything I've said? You're
> >>> obviously reading something into my post that I did not say.
> >>>
> >>> Fox news is a disgusting example of bias, different in degree from
> >>> any other news organization, IMO. That you would follow Tom's post
> >>> with  some claim that "Everyone does it" strikes me as
> >>> irresponsible since  it just muddys the water. Not every
> >>> organization is biased in the way  Fox is. Someone needed to point
> >>> that out and I did so. That is all  there is to it. I made no
> >>> comments about conservative news  organizations in general, just
> >>> the one bad apple.
> >>>
> >>> Joe Campbell
> >>>
> >>> On Jun 14, 2009, at 1:21 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Joe Campbell wrote:
> >>>>> This is precisely why I'm disagreeing with Paul. Folks like you
> >>>>> have got him convinced that the NY Times is as bad as Fox News.
> >>>>> What a joke!
> >>>>
> >>>> Nowhere did I say that the NY Times is as bad as Fox News.  All I
> >>>> said was that all news has bias.  That includes both the NY Times
> >>>> and Fox News, but it says nothing about the amount of bias
> >>>> relative  to each other.
> >>>>
> >>>> You've drawn a line in the sand.  There is a "right" that watches
> >>>> only Fox News, and there is a "left" that reads only the NY
> >>>> Times.   The truth is, that line doesn't really exist as a line.
> >>>> If you  really look at it, the right and left ideologies cover so
> >>>> much  territory that you can't help but agree with a few concepts
> >>>> "across  the line".
> >>>> If we're ever going to come back together again as a country, we
> >>>> have to throw that crap out the window.  All of us have to do
> >>>> this.   Instead of looking for where we might agree, we're
> >>>> highlighting the  differences.
> >>>>
> >>>> Paul
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
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