[Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate

[Joe Campbell]

Dan,

Are you saying that people are ENTITLED to believe that the holocaust  
never happened? That seems like a radical view to me. I feel  
comfortable drawing the line on the other side of crazy, thank you  
very much.

I find it interesting that you and Paul and others have no trouble  
calling me out for my beliefs -- I'm biased because I think historical  
revisionism is wrong, or whatever your reason was -- but you don't  
want to say anything against those who deny the holocaust or who claim  
that slavery wasn't so bad.

That is one strange -- or politically convenient -- set of beliefs!

Joe Campbell

On Jun 14, 2009, at 2:46 PM, "Dan Carscallen" <areaman at moscow.com>  
wrote:

> Joe,
>
> I think people are entitled to their opinion.
>
> I don't necessarily have to agree with their opinion.  Nor do I have  
> to
> agree with yours.
>
> As Paul wondered earlier, why do we have to draw lines in the sand?   
> Why
> must we search for divisiveness? I'd just as soon get along.
>
> DC
>
> p.s. my initial post was lighthearted in nature.  I thought you'd  
> "get"
> it.  Sunil and Carl would have!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Campbell [mailto:philosopher.joe at gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 2:27 PM
> To: Dan Carscallen
> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate
>
> Is it that I'm biased or that you are too afraid to buck the Wilson
> camp for fear of losing votes?
>
> Well, we can test it.
>
> Don't you think that Wilson's revisionism about US slavery is just as
> bad as the denial of the holocaust; if not, why not?
>
> My guess is you won't answer this question -- which is a bit of the
> very problem I'm trying to note.
>
> Joe Campbell
>
> On Jun 14, 2009, at 1:27 PM, "Dan Carscallen" <areaman at moscow.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Joe,
>>
>> Your bias is showing.
>>
>> DC
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Joe Campbell
>> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:21 PM
>> To: g. crabtree
>> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate
>>
>> I haven't heard of half these people. Of these, most are not
>> mainstream in the Fox is; of the others they are not as bad as Fox.
>> Nor do I expect someone who defends Wilson's book in slavery to be
>> able to notice how offensive Fox is.
>>
>> Joe Campbell
>>
>> On Jun 14, 2009, at 10:41 AM, "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If you imagine that MSNBC with Olbermann, Madow, and Mathews,
>>> Newsweek and Evan Thomas, and taxpayer funded NPR with Jeffery
>>> Dvorkin, Nina Totenberg, Terry Gross and Michele Norris doesn't put
>>> a particularly and decidedly liberal spin on its "information" then
>>> you're even thicker than I previously imagined. No mean feat, that.
>>>
>>> g
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Campbell"
>> <philosopher.joe at gmail.com
>>>>
>>> To: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>>> Cc: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 5:41 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate
>>>
>>>
>>>> Paul,
>>>>
>>>> And what does this have to do with anything I've said? You're
>>>> obviously reading something into my post that I did not say.
>>>>
>>>> Fox news is a disgusting example of bias, different in degree from
>>>> any other news organization, IMO. That you would follow Tom's post
>>>> with  some claim that "Everyone does it" strikes me as
>>>> irresponsible since  it just muddys the water. Not every
>>>> organization is biased in the way  Fox is. Someone needed to point
>>>> that out and I did so. That is all  there is to it. I made no
>>>> comments about conservative news  organizations in general, just
>>>> the one bad apple.
>>>>
>>>> Joe Campbell
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 14, 2009, at 1:21 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Joe Campbell wrote:
>>>>>> This is precisely why I'm disagreeing with Paul. Folks like you
>>>>>> have got him convinced that the NY Times is as bad as Fox News.
>>>>>> What a joke!
>>>>>
>>>>> Nowhere did I say that the NY Times is as bad as Fox News.  All I
>>>>> said was that all news has bias.  That includes both the NY Times
>>>>> and Fox News, but it says nothing about the amount of bias
>>>>> relative  to each other.
>>>>>
>>>>> You've drawn a line in the sand.  There is a "right" that watches
>>>>> only Fox News, and there is a "left" that reads only the NY
>>>>> Times.   The truth is, that line doesn't really exist as a line.
>>>>> If you  really look at it, the right and left ideologies cover so
>>>>> much  territory that you can't help but agree with a few concepts
>>>>> "across  the line".
>>>>> If we're ever going to come back together again as a country, we
>>>>> have to throw that crap out the window.  All of us have to do
>>>>> this.   Instead of looking for where we might agree, we're
>>>>> highlighting the  differences.
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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