[Vision2020] Obama to Name Sotomayor as Supreme Court Pick
lfalen
lfalen at turbonet.com
Fri Jun 5 09:32:50 PDT 2009
I see several typo's here nothing more.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 02:20:59 -0700
To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Obama to Name Sotomayor as Supreme Court Pick
> I think this post is probably a lie.
>
> Read this carefully, Roger!
>
> Joe Campbell
>
> On Jun 4, 2009, at 10:28 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>
> > Saundra
> > I am glad that you disapprove of all tax cheats. I still find you
> > strange tha you choose to expound only on those associated with the
> > right an remain silent on those appointed bt Obama.
> > You should read my post more carefully. I did NOT say that you
> > posted all of the false statements I listed. I said that I thought
> > you probably posted some of them. If you did and then corrected it
> > later, thats great. I will accept your word for it.
> > I have not made excuses for my errors. I think I elaborated on them
> > at length.
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: "Saundra Lund" v2020 at ssl.fastmail.fm
> > Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:56:35 -0700
> > To: "'lfalen'" lfalen at turbonet.com, "'keely emerinemix'" kjajmix1 at msn.com
> > , "'Tom Hansen'" thansen at moscow.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Obama to Name Sotomayor as Supreme Court
> > Pick
> >
> >> Roger:
> >>
> >> You wrote:
> >> "You continue to beat up on Joe the Plummer, but you still do not
> >> say anything about the tax cheats that Oboma has appointed."
> >>
> >> No, I don't "beat up" on him -- I state facts. Period.
> >>
> >> You also asked:
> >> "Is is ok by you that that rich lefts in a position of power cheat
> >> on their taxes"
> >>
> >> No, as you should know, I'm against tax cheats of all kinds,
> >> including those who are local. I don't post on or respond to every
> >> topic that strikes my fancy, but I am more inclined to respond to
> >> posts that put information I know is incorrect or incomplete out
> >> there -- like yours.
> >>
> >> You also wrote:
> >> "I think it a little sanctimonious to claim that you never
> >> inadvertently posted erroneous information."
> >>
> >> That's not what I wrote. What I wrote with respect to your false
> >> accusations about the posts I did about Palin was, "I posted facts
> >> and corrected rumors." Please read a little more carefully before
> >> you hurl baseless accusations around! I know this list sometimes
> >> has a lot of traffic and that not everyone (perhaps anyone!) can
> >> remember it all, but I have *never ever* had any qualms about
> >> correcting things I've posted that were inaccurate or incomplete
> >> here. I can think of several instances where I had to correct
> >> myself, either for things I found out after posting or when other
> >> Visionaries brought more information to my attention.
> >>
> >> And, guess what? I accepted responsibility and didn't make excuses
> >> for those errors. Maybe you should try it sometime?
> >>
> >> As for your list, STOP IT, Roger!!! Quit making false accusations
> >> about what you "venture" to guess as to what Palin "rumors" I
> >> posted because you are DEAD WRONG.
> >>
> >> You wrote:
> >> "Africa was a country not a continent."
> >>
> >> Nope -- I posted nothing of the sort. I did post about her ties to
> >> the infamous Muthee. However, I'm quite sure I remember FOX News
> >> making a very big deal about Palin not knowing that Africa was a
> >> continent rather than a country . . . yuppers, there are quite a
> >> few videos available of the various discussions on FOX News --
> >> here's only one such link:
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Whj_bu4YhE
> >>
> >> You wrote:
> >> "A long list of books that she wanted banned which included Harry
> >> Potter and books by Mark Twain. She did ask how a request to ban
> >> books would be handled, because a patron had asked the library to
> >> remove a book and she wanted to know how should disputes were
> >> handled. The Librarian was fired, but was hired back the next
> >> day.There was no list of books submitted by her."
> >>
> >> Wrong again, Roger: I was the first one here to point out --
> >> repeatedly -- the facts about that. Before you accusing me of
> >> things I didn't do, you should at least have the common decency to
> >> get your facts straight. Feel free to take your precious time to
> >> look at my posts on 9/7/2008, and then apologize.
> >>
> >> You wrote:
> >> "Sarah Palin was a member of the Alaska Independence Party. She did
> >> go to one meeting and Todd was a member from1995 to 2000"
> >>
> >> Nope -- I sure didn't post anything of the sort. Perhaps what
> >> you're remembering is my post on 10/11/2008 that greatly
> >> illuminated her ties to right-wing radicals like Mark Chryson and
> >> Steve Stoll.
> >>
> >> You also wrote:
> >> "Palin charged victims of rape for rape kits."
> >>
> >> Wrong again -- I posted that the police chief ***Palin*** appointed
> >> was against legislation prohibiting municipalities from charging
> >> rape victims for rape kits, legislation that was required to stop
> >> Wasilla from charging rape victims. See my posts from 9/9, 9/10,
> >> and 9/12/2008.
> >>
> >> You wrote:
> >> "Palin faked a pregnency and Trig was actually Bristol's"
> >>
> >> I'm sounding like broken record, but you are absolutely wrong: I
> >> posted absolutely nothing of the sort!
> >>
> >> You also wrote:
> >> "Palin had a affair with Todd's bussiness partner."
> >>
> >> For the love of God, STOP IT, ROGER!!! I posted no such thing, and
> >> I vehemently object to you dishonestly attributing outrageous
> >> things to me!
> >>
> >> Look -- if you want to post things on V2020, then you need to be
> >> willing to accept the discussion that follows WITHOUT resorting to
> >> making scurrilous accusations against those who disagree with you
> >> or respond with more accurate &/or complete information.
> >>
> >> Frankly, you should be ashamed of yourself, Roger. It's one thing
> >> to (repeatedly) pass along the kind of knee-jerk stuff you do
> >> without taking 30 seconds to check for accuracy, but it's a
> >> completely different think to make blatantly false accusations
> >> about those who respond to your nonsense. Some of us who
> >> participate in these discussions actually CARE about our
> >> reputations for accuracy. You don't care about yours, and that's
> >> your choice, but how DARE you make absolutely baseless accusations
> >> against those of us who do.
> >>
> >>
> >> Saundra Lund
> >> Moscow, ID
> >>
> >> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people
> >> to do nothing.
> >> ~ Edmund Burke
> >>
> >> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2009 through
> >> life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt,
> >> or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express
> >> written permission of the author.*****
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: lfalen [mailto:lfalen at turbonet.com]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 10:32 AM
> >> To: Saundra Lund; 'Saundra Lund'; 'keely emerinemix'; 'Tom Hansen'; vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Obama to Name Sotomayor as Supreme Court
> >> Pick
> >>
> >> Saundra
> >> I readily admit that I have posted material that turned out to be
> >> false. I have never intentionally done so. I check Snopes on
> >> material that I receive that I think is suspect. There are some
> >> that I did not check that I should have.
> >> My computer is slow, If something does not come up in a couple of
> >> minutes I move on. I have other things to do than camp on the
> >> internet.
> >> You continue to beat up on Joe the Plummer, but you still do not
> >> say anything about the tax cheats that Oboma has appointed. Is is
> >> ok by you that that rich lefts in a position of power cheat on
> >> their taxes How abut equal treatment.
> >> I think it a little sanctimonious to claim that you never
> >> inadvertently posted erroneous information.
> >> Here is a partial list of false information that is out there on
> >> Palin. This list is no means exhaustive.
> >> Africa was a country not a continent.
> >> A long list of books that she wanted banned which included Harry
> >> Potter and books by Mark Twain. She did ask how a request to ban
> >> books would be handled, because a patron had asked the library to
> >> remove a book and she wanted to know how should disputes were
> >> handled. The Librarian was fired, but was hired back the next
> >> day.There was no list of books submitted by her.
> >> Sarah Palin was a member of the Alaska Independence Party. She did
> >> go to one meeting and Todd was a member from1995 to 2000
> >> Palin charged victims of rape for rape kits.
> >> Palin faked a pregnency and Trig was actually Bristol's
> >> Palin had a affair with Todd's bussiness partner.
> >> I do not have the time to check out your posts on the archives,
> >> but I would venture that some of these show up there.
> >> Why not just admit that we all make mistakes?
> >> Roger
> >>
> >> -----Original message-----
> >> From: "Saundra Lund" v2020 at ssl.fastmail.fm
> >> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:19:15 -0700
> >> To: "'lfalen'" lfalen at turbonet.com, "'Saundra Lund'" sslund_2007 at verizon.net
> >> , "'keely emerinemix'" kjajmix1 at msn.com, "'Tom Hansen'" thansen at moscow.com
> >> , vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Obama to Name Sotomayor as Supreme Court
> >> Pick
> >>
> >>> Roger wrote:
> >>> "While I did not quote her full statements I do not think it
> >>> skewed the
> >>> meaning."
> >>>
> >>> Then I can only assume you didn't bother to read the links or else
> >>> you'd
> >>> readily admit that your talking heads have excelled at nothing so
> >>> much as
> >>> taking the snips out of context.
> >>>
> >>> You also wrote:
> >>> "For someone who posted every rumor about Sarah Palin yo do not
> >>> have much
> >>> room to talk."
> >>>
> >>> Wrong again: I posted facts and corrected rumors.
> >>>
> >>> You also wrote:
> >>> "Also If i remember correctly you landed all over Joe The Plummer
> >>> for being
> >>> a tax cheat."
> >>>
> >>> Yes, he was a tax cheat & a liar, and it was idiotic for the GOP
> >>> to try to
> >>> dress him us as anything different. Don't blame me for his very own
> >>> transgressions -- blame your compatriots for not having the sense
> >>> God gave a
> >>> billy goat. Sheesh -- anyone with a scintilla of intelligence
> >>> knows better
> >>> than to trot out a new poster boy without doing even simple Google
> >>> search.
> >>>
> >>> Please do tell us why you're going ape over Sotomayor while not
> >>> giving a rip
> >>> that what she said isn't much different than Scalia's opinion in
> >>> REPUBLICAN
> >>> PARTY OF MINN. V. WHITE
> >>> (http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/01-521.ZO.html):
> >>> "This complete separation of the judiciary from the enterprise of
> >>> "representative government" might have some truth in those
> >>> countries where
> >>> judges neither make law themselves nor set aside the laws enacted
> >>> by the
> >>> legislature. It is not a true picture of the American system. Not
> >>> only do
> >>> state-court judges possess the power to "make" common law, but
> >>> they have the
> >>> immense power to shape the States' constitutions as well. See,
> >>> e.g., Baker
> >>> v. State, 170 Vt. 194, 744 A. 2d 864 (1999). Which is precisely
> >>> why the
> >>> election of state judges became popular."
> >>>
> >>> AND
> >>> "Although Justice [John Paul] Stevens at times appears to agree
> >>> with Justice
> >>> [Ruth Bader] Ginsburg's premise that the judiciary is completely
> >>> separated
> >>> from the enterprise of representative government, post, at 3
> >>> ("[E]very good
> >>> judge is fully aware of the distinction between the law and a
> >>> personal point
> >>> of view"), he eventually appears to concede that the separation
> >>> does not
> >>> hold true for many judges who sit on courts of last resort, post,
> >>> at 3 ("If
> >>> he is not a judge on the highest court in the State, he has an
> >>> obligation to
> >>> follow the precedent of that court, not his personal views or
> >>> public opinion
> >>> polls"); post, at 3, n. 2. Even if the policy making capacity of
> >>> judges were
> >>> limited to courts of last resort, that would only prove that the
> >>> announce
> >>> clause fails strict scrutiny. "[I]f announcing one's views in the
> >>> context of
> >>> a campaign for the State Supreme Court might be" protected speech,
> >>> post, at
> >>> 3, n. 2, then-even if announcing one's views in the context of a
> >>> campaign
> >>> for a lower court were not protected speech, ibid.-the announce
> >>> clause would
> >>> not be narrowly tailored, since it applies to high- and low-court
> >>> candidates
> >>> alike. In fact, however, the judges of inferior courts often "make
> >>> law,"
> >>> since the precedent of the highest court does not cover every
> >>> situation, and
> >>> not every case is reviewed. Justice Stevens has repeatedly
> >>> expressed the
> >>> view that a settled course of lower court opinions binds the
> >>> highest court.
> >>> See, e.g., Reves v. Ernst & Young, 494 U.S. 56, 74 (1990)
> >>> (concurring
> >>> opinion); McNally v. United States, 483 U.S. 350, 376--377 (1987)
> >>> (dissenting opinion)."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Get your shovel & start digging, Roger, because the more you keep
> >>> saying,
> >>> the deeper you keep digging your hole.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Saundra Lund
> >>> Moscow, ID
> >>>
> >>> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good
> >>> people to do
> >>> nothing.
> >>> ~ Edmund Burke
> >>>
> >>> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2009 through
> >>> life plus
> >>> 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or
> >>> reproduce outside
> >>> the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the
> >>> author.*****
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
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