[Vision2020] Customers Need Parking
Wayne Price
bear at moscow.com
Thu Jul 30 20:07:20 PDT 2009
Ron,
A parking structure on the U of I campus won't work, way to far away
to downtown.
On Jul 30, 2009, at 8:00 PM, Ron Force wrote:
> The topic of a parking structure on the UI Campus was brought up
> often, and shot down each time, the problem being that it was
> improbable that people would be willing to pay enough for parking to
> amortize the costs. The cost of constructing a multi-story parking
> garage runs about $50 per square foot, or $15,000 per space. What
> would you have to charge to break even, covering the cost of
> construction?
>
> For short-term parking, the garages at WSU charge $1.90/hr or $15/
> day. The annual permit for the garages that allow them is $547/yr.
> River Park Square in Spokane charges $2 per hour (judging from the
> controversy, that rate is definately non-profit). In contrast, lot
> parking at UI maxes out at $300 for a gold permit (never sold out),
> $157 for red, and $61 per year for a blue. What's the probability
> that the average Muscovite, accustomed to "free" downtown parking
> would spring for $2/hr to park in a central structure?
>
> If a shortage of downtown parking is really critical, one could
> always bring back parking meters. The new ones even take credit/
> debit cards!
>
> Once again, backing away to a safe distance...
>
> Ron Force
> Moscow, Idaho USA
>
>
> From: Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com>
> To: Bill London <london at moscow.com>
> Cc: Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 4:08:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Customers Need Parking
>
> Bill,
>
> Thats probably the biggest flaw in another not-well-thought-out plan
> by the Gang of 7.
> A parking permit is a parking permit is a parking permit.
> You can't discriminate against someone because of where they work, go
> to school, live, etc etc.
> If somebody wanted to, they could buy them all.
>
> What I'd love to know is where the parking is going to come from for
> the folks that will be living in
> the new condos at 3rd and Main.
>
> I honestly think it's time for the city to bite the bullet and build a
> parking structure down town. Yes, if it is built in the Jackson St
> lot,
> it will screw up parking till it's built, but it solves a long term
> problem, that we've had for as long as I've lived here
> which is going on 25 years now. But, there are other locations they
> could look at, like the lot across Jefferson from City Hall, or for
> that matter
> the city hall lot.
>
> I spend a lot of time up in the town of Nelson BC, a town about the
> size of Moscow, and the city built a multi-
> level parking garage that serves the citizens well, for hourly parking
> as well as overnight. Covered, out of the weather, central to
> downtown and patrolled.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 30, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Bill London wrote:
>
> > Actually, that is my point.
> > What is to stop NSA students from buying those permits?
> > BL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Price" <bear at moscow.com>
> > To: "Bill London" <london at moscow.com>
> > Cc: "Dan Carscallen" <areaman at moscow.com>; "'Moscow Vision 2020'" <vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >
> > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 3:49 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Customers Need Parking
> >
> >
> >> Bill,
> >>
> >> How can the city refuse to sell city parking permits to NSA
> >> students or staff?
> >> That law suit will cost us a bundle!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jul 30, 2009, at 3:42 PM, Bill London wrote:
> >>
> >>> D-
> >>> You implied in your previous V2020 post that Bode's perspective
> was
> >>> incorrect or incomplete.
> >>> Please explain where Bode is wrong.
> >>> Will the city now be selling permits that allow permitees to fill
> >>> spaces in
> >>> the Jackson Street lot (spaces that could be filled by customer
> >>> cars?)
> >>> Will the city restrict the permits to employees of downtown
> >>> merchants and
> >>> not allow NSA students/staff to buy them?
> >>> BL
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Dan Carscallen" <areaman at moscow.com>
> >>> Cc: "'Moscow Vision 2020'" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 7:00 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Customers Need Parking
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Courtesy of today's (July 30, 2009) Moscow-Pullman Daily News
> >>>>
> >>>> City to issue 85 downtown parking permits
> >>>>
> >>>> The city of Moscow has announced it will limit the number of
> >>>> downtown
> >>>> parking permits available for purchase to 85.
> >>>>
> >>>> Permit purchasers will be asked to complete a brief survey to
> >>>> provide
> >>>> input
> >>>> about the primary use of the permit and which lots are expected
> >>>> to see the
> >>>> most use.
> >>>>
> >>>> Changes to the downtown parking configuration made July 13 by the
> >>>> Moscow
> >>>> City Council included the creation of one class of downtown
> >>>> parking permit
> >>>> to replace the previous green and yellow permits.
> >>>>
> >>>> The new permits will cost $75 each per year - less than the
> >>>> price of the
> >>>> previous $375 green and $250 yellow permits.
> >>>>
> >>>> The city set the 85-permit limit and created the survey in
> >>>> response to
> >>>> concerns it has received about selling out of permits and
> possible
> >>>> limitations on customer parking for downtown businesses.
> >>>>
> >>>> For information, call Les MacDonald at (208) 883-7028, or e-mail
> >>>> lmacdonald<@ci.moscow.id.us.
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> >>>> ]
> >>>> On Behalf Of Dan Carscallen
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 6:54 AM
> >>>> Cc: 'Moscow Vision 2020'
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Customers Need Parking
> >>>>
> >>>> Mr. Bode's letter was evidently written a little early.
> >>>>
> >>>> Stay tuned.
> >>>>
> >>>> DC
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> >>>> ]
> >>>> On Behalf Of Joe Campbell
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 6:47 AM
> >>>> To: Tom Hansen
> >>>> Cc: Moscow Vision 2020
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Customers Need Parking
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe there would be parking downtown if they didn't allow
> >>>> schools in
> >>>> the business district. Oh, that's right. They don't!
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jul 30, 2009, at 9:28 AM, "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Courtesy of today's (July 30, 2009) Moscow-Pullman Daily News
> with
> >>>>> special
> >>>>> thanks to Tom Bode.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Customers need parking
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On July 6, the Moscow City Council passed a motion to reduce the
> >>>>> price of
> >>>>> parking permits in the Jackson Street parking lots to $75 per
> year
> >>>>> ($6.25/month or 21 cents/day).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The chief reason given for inexpensive permits is to get
> >>>>> employees and
> >>>>> owners off of Main Street and into the Jackson Street lots. I
> >>>>> believe the
> >>>>> effect of selling cheap permits will put many cars in these lots
> >>>>> that will
> >>>>> sit there all day. In fact, this is what your City Council
> >>>>> desires.
> >>>>> Either
> >>>>> the council didn't think through, or just doesn't care, that the
> >>>>> effect of
> >>>>> this reduces the customer's opportunity to find a parking space.
> >>>>> If
> >>>>> spaces
> >>>>> aren't turning over through the day, how will customers of the
> >>>>> downtown
> >>>>> find parking?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I was told this idea of cheap parking permits came from Moscow
> >>>>> Chamber of
> >>>>> Commerce director Steven Hacker. I am shocked that the chamber
> >>>>> would
> >>>>> push
> >>>>> an idea that limits the downtown customers' opportunity to find
> >>>>> parking,
> >>>>> so that the employees and owners can park in prime parking
> >>>>> spaces. I
> >>>>> was
> >>>>> taught in every aspect of my business education to put the
> >>>>> customers
> >>>>> first.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In January 1978, Mayor Mann accepted a check from downtown
> >>>>> businesses to
> >>>>> pay off the balance of the debt on the Jackson Street lots. The
> >>>>> City
> >>>>> Council passed a resolution in which they agreed to keep the
> >>>>> Jackson
> >>>>> Street lots for downtown customers.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The current council, many of who claim to be pro-business, has
> now
> >>>>> deviated 180 degrees from that agreement, by encouraging
> employees
> >>>>> to park
> >>>>> in those lots.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you find over the next year you are having trouble finding a
> >>>>> space to
> >>>>> park in the Jackson Street lots, make sure you let the mayor,
> her
> >>>>> staff,
> >>>>> the council and the chamber know how you feel about it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thomas Bode, Moscow
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Concerning the Jackson Street "Park it and Forget it" parking
> >>>>> lot . . .
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The fall semester for UI students, as well as NSA students,
> should
> >>>>> prove
> >>>>> very interesting and, more importanly, convenient.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A parking space may cost a student only 21 cents per day. How
> much
> >>>>> is the
> >>>>> loss of that same parking space costing Main Street proprietors?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Just another example of Moscow's pro-business city council.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I guess we can always reopen Moscow's old livery stable at First
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> Main.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.tomandrodna.com/Photos/1800s_FirstMain_Stable.jpg
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Seeya round town, Moscow
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Tom Hansen
> >>>>> Moscow, Idaho
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> change
> >>>>> and the Realist adjusts his sails."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - Unknown
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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