<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Ron,<div><br></div><div>A parking structure on the U of I campus won't work, way to far away to downtown.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jul 30, 2009, at 8:00 PM, Ron Force wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; ">The topic of a parking structure on the UI Campus was brought up often, and shot down each time, the problem being that it was improbable that people would be willing to pay enough for parking to amortize the costs. The cost of constructing a multi-story parking garage runs about $50 per square foot, or $15,000 per space. What would you have to charge to break even, covering the cost of construction?<br><br>For short-term parking, the garages at WSU charge $1.90/hr or $15/day. The annual permit for the garages that allow them is $547/yr. River Park Square in Spokane charges $2 per hour (judging from the controversy, that rate is definately non-profit). In contrast, lot parking at UI maxes out at $300 for a gold permit (never sold out), $157 for red, and $61 per year for a blue. What's the probability that the average Muscovite, accustomed to "free" downtown parking would spring for $2/hr to park in a central structure?<br><br>If a shortage of downtown parking is really critical, one could always bring back parking meters. The new ones even take credit/debit cards!<br><br>Once again, backing away to a safe distance...<br><br>Ron Force<br>Moscow, Idaho USA<br><br><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; "><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">From:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wayne Price <<a href="mailto:bear@moscow.com">bear@moscow.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Bill London <<a href="mailto:london@moscow.com">london@moscow.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Cc:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Moscow Vision 2020 <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, July 30, 2009 4:08:29 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Vision2020] Customers Need Parking<br></font><br>Bill,<br><br>Thats probably the biggest flaw in another not-well-thought-out plan <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>by the Gang of 7.<br>A parking permit is a parking permit is a parking permit.<br>You can't discriminate against someone because of where they work, go <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>to school, live, etc etc.<br>If somebody wanted to, they could buy them all.<br><br>What I'd love to know is where the parking is going to come from for <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>the folks that will be living in<br>the new condos at 3rd and Main.<br><br>I honestly think it's time for the city to bite the bullet and build a <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>parking structure down town. Yes, if it is built in the Jackson St lot,<br>it will screw up parking till it's built, but it solves a long term <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>problem, that we've had for as long as I've lived here<br>which is going on 25 years now. But, there are other locations they <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>could look at, like the lot across Jefferson from City Hall, or for <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>that matter<br>the city hall lot.<br><br>I spend a lot of time up in the town of Nelson BC, a town about the <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>size of Moscow, and the city built a multi-<br>level parking garage that serves the citizens well, for hourly parking <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>as well as overnight. Covered, out of the weather, central to<br>downtown and patrolled.<br><br><br><br><br><br>On Jul 30, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Bill London wrote:<br><br>> Actually, that is my point.<br>> What is to stop NSA students from buying those permits?<br>> BL<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Price" <<a ymailto="mailto:bear@moscow.com" href="mailto:bear@moscow.com">bear@moscow.com</a>><br>> To: "Bill London" <<a ymailto="mailto:london@moscow.com" href="mailto:london@moscow.com">london@moscow.com</a>><br>> Cc: "Dan Carscallen" <<a ymailto="mailto:areaman@moscow.com" href="mailto:areaman@moscow.com">areaman@moscow.com</a>>; "'Moscow Vision 2020'" <<a ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> ><br>> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 3:49 PM<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Customers Need Parking<br>><br>><br>>> Bill,<br>>><br>>> How can the city refuse to sell city parking permits to NSA <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> students or staff?<br>>> That law suit will cost us a bundle!<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> On Jul 30, 2009, at 3:42 PM, Bill London wrote:<br>>><br>>>> D-<br>>>> You implied in your previous V2020 post that Bode's perspective was<br>>>> incorrect or incomplete.<br>>>> Please explain where Bode is wrong.<br>>>> Will the city now be selling permits that allow permitees to fill <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> spaces in<br>>>> the Jackson Street lot (spaces that could be filled by customer <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> cars?)<br>>>> Will the city restrict the permits to employees of downtown <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> merchants and<br>>>> not allow NSA students/staff to buy them?<br>>>> BL<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>>>> From: "Dan Carscallen" <<a ymailto="mailto:areaman@moscow.com" href="mailto:areaman@moscow.com">areaman@moscow.com</a>><br>>>> Cc: "'Moscow Vision 2020'" <<a ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 7:00 AM<br>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Customers Need Parking<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>>> Courtesy of today's (July 30, 2009) Moscow-Pullman Daily News<br>>>>><br>>>>> City to issue 85 downtown parking permits<br>>>>><br>>>>> The city of Moscow has announced it will limit the number of <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>> downtown<br>>>>> parking permits available for purchase to 85.<br>>>>><br>>>>> Permit purchasers will be asked to complete a brief survey to <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>> provide<br>>>>> input<br>>>>> about the primary use of the permit and which lots are expected <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>> to see the<br>>>>> most use.<br>>>>><br>>>>> Changes to the downtown parking configuration made July 13 by the <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>> Moscow<br>>>>> City Council included the creation of one class of downtown <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>> parking permit<br>>>>> to replace the previous green and yellow permits.<br>>>>><br>>>>> The new permits will cost $75 each per year - less than the <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>> price of the<br>>>>> previous $375 green and $250 yellow permits.<br>>>>><br>>>>> The city set the 85-permit limit and created the survey in <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>> response to<br>>>>> concerns it has received about selling out of permits and possible<br>>>>> limitations on customer parking for downtown businesses.<br>>>>><br>>>>> For information, call Les MacDonald at (208) 883-7028, or e-mail<br>>>>> lmacdonald<@ci.moscow.id.us.<br>>>>><br>>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>>>>> From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a ymailto="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>> ]<br>>>>> On Behalf Of Dan Carscallen<br>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 6:54 AM<br>>>>> Cc: 'Moscow Vision 2020'<br>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Customers Need Parking<br>>>>><br>>>>> Mr. Bode's letter was evidently written a little early.<br>>>>><br>>>>> Stay tuned.<br>>>>><br>>>>> DC<br>>>>><br>>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>>>>> From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a ymailto="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>> ]<br>>>>> On Behalf Of Joe Campbell<br>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 6:47 AM<br>>>>> To: Tom Hansen<br>>>>> Cc: Moscow Vision 2020<br>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Customers Need Parking<br>>>>><br>>>>> Maybe there would be parking downtown if they didn't allow <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>> schools in<br>>>>> the business district. Oh, that's right. They don't!<br>>>>><br>>>>> Sent from my iPhone<br>>>>><br>>>>> On Jul 30, 2009, at 9:28 AM, "Tom Hansen" <<a ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>> wrote:<br>>>>><br>>>>>> Courtesy of today's (July 30, 2009) Moscow-Pullman Daily News with<br>>>>>> special<br>>>>>> thanks to Tom Bode.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Customers need parking<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> On July 6, the Moscow City Council passed a motion to reduce the<br>>>>>> price of<br>>>>>> parking permits in the Jackson Street parking lots to $75 per year<br>>>>>> ($6.25/month or 21 cents/day).<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> The chief reason given for inexpensive permits is to get <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>> employees and<br>>>>>> owners off of Main Street and into the Jackson Street lots. I<br>>>>>> believe the<br>>>>>> effect of selling cheap permits will put many cars in these lots<br>>>>>> that will<br>>>>>> sit there all day. In fact, this is what your City Council <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>> desires.<br>>>>>> Either<br>>>>>> the council didn't think through, or just doesn't care, that the<br>>>>>> effect of<br>>>>>> this reduces the customer's opportunity to find a parking space. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>> If<br>>>>>> spaces<br>>>>>> aren't turning over through the day, how will customers of the<br>>>>>> downtown<br>>>>>> find parking?<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> I was told this idea of cheap parking permits came from Moscow<br>>>>>> Chamber of<br>>>>>> Commerce director Steven Hacker. I am shocked that the chamber <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>> would<br>>>>>> push<br>>>>>> an idea that limits the downtown customers' opportunity to find<br>>>>>> parking,<br>>>>>> so that the employees and owners can park in prime parking <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>> spaces. I<br>>>>>> was<br>>>>>> taught in every aspect of my business education to put the <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>> customers<br>>>>>> first.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> In January 1978, Mayor Mann accepted a check from downtown<br>>>>>> businesses to<br>>>>>> pay off the balance of the debt on the Jackson Street lots. The <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>> City<br>>>>>> Council passed a resolution in which they agreed to keep the <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>> Jackson<br>>>>>> Street lots for downtown customers.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> The current council, many of who claim to be pro-business, has now<br>>>>>> deviated 180 degrees from that agreement, by encouraging employees<br>>>>>> to park<br>>>>>> in those lots.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> If you find over the next year you are having trouble finding a<br>>>>>> space to<br>>>>>> park in the Jackson Street lots, make sure you let the mayor, her<br>>>>>> staff,<br>>>>>> the council and the chamber know how you feel about it.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Thomas Bode, Moscow<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Concerning the Jackson Street "Park it and Forget it" parking<br>>>>>> lot . . .<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> The fall semester for UI students, as well as NSA students, should<br>>>>>> prove<br>>>>>> very interesting and, more importanly, convenient.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> A parking space may cost a student only 21 cents per day. How much<br>>>>>> is the<br>>>>>> loss of that same parking space costing Main Street proprietors?<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Just another example of Moscow's pro-business city council.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> I guess we can always reopen Moscow's old livery stable at First <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>> and<br>>>>>> Main.<br>>>>>><br><span>>>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.tomandrodna.com/Photos/1800s_FirstMain_Stable.jpg">http://www.tomandrodna.com/Photos/1800s_FirstMain_Stable.jpg</a></span><br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Seeya round town, Moscow<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Tom Hansen<br>>>>>> Moscow, Idaho<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>> to<br>>>>>> change<br>>>>>> and the Realist adjusts his sails."<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> - Unknown<br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>> =======================================================<br>>>>>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>>>>>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br><span>>>>>> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a></span><br>>>>>> mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>>>>>> =======================================================<br>>>>><br>>>>> =======================================================<br>>>>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>>>>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>>>>> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.fsr.net" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a><br>>>>> mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>>>>> =======================================================<br>>>>><br>>>>> =======================================================<br>>>>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>>>>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>>>>> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.fsr.net" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a><br>>>>> mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>>>>> =======================================================<br>>>>><br>>>>> =======================================================<br>>>>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>>>>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>>>>> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.fsr.net" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a><br>>>>> mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>>>>> =======================================================<br>>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> =======================================================<br>>>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>>>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>>>> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.fsr.net" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a><br>>>> mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>>>> =======================================================<br>>><br>><br>><br><br>=======================================================<br>List services made available by First Step Internet,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.fsr.net" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>=======================================================<br></div></div></div><br>=======================================================<br>List services made available by First Step Internet,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br> <a href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <br> <a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>=======================================================</div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>