[Vision2020] Customers Need Parking
Dan Carscallen
areaman at moscow.com
Thu Jul 30 16:07:48 PDT 2009
I heard somewhere, and someone will correct me if I'm wrong, that the NSA
students currently pay $45 for a permit to park in a lot about a block away
from the Jackson Street lot. I'm not sure why they'd pay another $30 to
park one block closer. I harken back to my college days when I'd buy a blue
permit instead of a red so I'd have a little more folding money, at least
for a week or so.
I don't believe Bode's perspective was incorrect or incomplete when he wrote
and sent the letter, as the press release probably went out to the downtown
merchants and the paper after he sent it, but before the paper published it.
A sort of "two ships passing in the dark" scenario, if you will.
DC
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill London [mailto:london at moscow.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 3:53 PM
To: Wayne Price
Cc: Dan Carscallen; 'Moscow Vision 2020'
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Customers Need Parking
Actually, that is my point.
What is to stop NSA students from buying those permits?
BL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne Price" <bear at moscow.com>
To: "Bill London" <london at moscow.com>
Cc: "Dan Carscallen" <areaman at moscow.com>; "'Moscow Vision 2020'"
<vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Customers Need Parking
> Bill,
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> How can the city refuse to sell city parking permits to NSA students or
> staff?
> That law suit will cost us a bundle!
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> On Jul 30, 2009, at 3:42 PM, Bill London wrote:
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>> D-
>> You implied in your previous V2020 post that Bode's perspective was
>> incorrect or incomplete.
>> Please explain where Bode is wrong.
>> Will the city now be selling permits that allow permitees to fill spaces
>> in
>> the Jackson Street lot (spaces that could be filled by customer cars?)
>> Will the city restrict the permits to employees of downtown merchants
>> and
>> not allow NSA students/staff to buy them?
>> BL
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dan Carscallen" <areaman at moscow.com>
>> Cc: "'Moscow Vision 2020'" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 7:00 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Customers Need Parking
>>
>>
>>> Courtesy of today's (July 30, 2009) Moscow-Pullman Daily News
>>>
>>> City to issue 85 downtown parking permits
>>>
>>> The city of Moscow has announced it will limit the number of downtown
>>> parking permits available for purchase to 85.
>>>
>>> Permit purchasers will be asked to complete a brief survey to provide
>>> input
>>> about the primary use of the permit and which lots are expected to see
>>> the
>>> most use.
>>>
>>> Changes to the downtown parking configuration made July 13 by the
>>> Moscow
>>> City Council included the creation of one class of downtown parking
>>> permit
>>> to replace the previous green and yellow permits.
>>>
>>> The new permits will cost $75 each per year - less than the price of
>>> the
>>> previous $375 green and $250 yellow permits.
>>>
>>> The city set the 85-permit limit and created the survey in response to
>>> concerns it has received about selling out of permits and possible
>>> limitations on customer parking for downtown businesses.
>>>
>>> For information, call Les MacDonald at (208) 883-7028, or e-mail
>>> lmacdonald<@ci.moscow.id.us.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>>> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com ]
>>> On Behalf Of Dan Carscallen
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 6:54 AM
>>> Cc: 'Moscow Vision 2020'
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Customers Need Parking
>>>
>>> Mr. Bode's letter was evidently written a little early.
>>>
>>> Stay tuned.
>>>
>>> DC
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>>> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com ]
>>> On Behalf Of Joe Campbell
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 6:47 AM
>>> To: Tom Hansen
>>> Cc: Moscow Vision 2020
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Customers Need Parking
>>>
>>> Maybe there would be parking downtown if they didn't allow schools in
>>> the business district. Oh, that's right. They don't!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 30, 2009, at 9:28 AM, "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Courtesy of today's (July 30, 2009) Moscow-Pullman Daily News with
>>>> special
>>>> thanks to Tom Bode.
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Customers need parking
>>>>
>>>> On July 6, the Moscow City Council passed a motion to reduce the
>>>> price of
>>>> parking permits in the Jackson Street parking lots to $75 per year
>>>> ($6.25/month or 21 cents/day).
>>>>
>>>> The chief reason given for inexpensive permits is to get employees and
>>>> owners off of Main Street and into the Jackson Street lots. I
>>>> believe the
>>>> effect of selling cheap permits will put many cars in these lots
>>>> that will
>>>> sit there all day. In fact, this is what your City Council desires.
>>>> Either
>>>> the council didn't think through, or just doesn't care, that the
>>>> effect of
>>>> this reduces the customer's opportunity to find a parking space. If
>>>> spaces
>>>> aren't turning over through the day, how will customers of the
>>>> downtown
>>>> find parking?
>>>>
>>>> I was told this idea of cheap parking permits came from Moscow
>>>> Chamber of
>>>> Commerce director Steven Hacker. I am shocked that the chamber would
>>>> push
>>>> an idea that limits the downtown customers' opportunity to find
>>>> parking,
>>>> so that the employees and owners can park in prime parking spaces. I
>>>> was
>>>> taught in every aspect of my business education to put the customers
>>>> first.
>>>>
>>>> In January 1978, Mayor Mann accepted a check from downtown
>>>> businesses to
>>>> pay off the balance of the debt on the Jackson Street lots. The City
>>>> Council passed a resolution in which they agreed to keep the Jackson
>>>> Street lots for downtown customers.
>>>>
>>>> The current council, many of who claim to be pro-business, has now
>>>> deviated 180 degrees from that agreement, by encouraging employees
>>>> to park
>>>> in those lots.
>>>>
>>>> If you find over the next year you are having trouble finding a
>>>> space to
>>>> park in the Jackson Street lots, make sure you let the mayor, her
>>>> staff,
>>>> the council and the chamber know how you feel about it.
>>>>
>>>> Thomas Bode, Moscow
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Concerning the Jackson Street "Park it and Forget it" parking
>>>> lot . . .
>>>>
>>>> The fall semester for UI students, as well as NSA students, should
>>>> prove
>>>> very interesting and, more importanly, convenient.
>>>>
>>>> A parking space may cost a student only 21 cents per day. How much
>>>> is the
>>>> loss of that same parking space costing Main Street proprietors?
>>>>
>>>> Just another example of Moscow's pro-business city council.
>>>>
>>>> I guess we can always reopen Moscow's old livery stable at First and
>>>> Main.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.tomandrodna.com/Photos/1800s_FirstMain_Stable.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Seeya round town, Moscow
>>>>
>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>
>>>> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to
>>>> change
>>>> and the Realist adjusts his sails."
>>>>
>>>> - Unknown
>>>>
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