[Vision2020] Say What?

Paul Rumelhart godshatter at yahoo.com
Thu Jul 30 10:37:12 PDT 2009 

According to the police report, he was arrested when he was outside, not 
when he was in his house.  Did Sgt. Crowley bait him into coming outside 
so he could arrest him?  Maybe.  I don't know the specifics of that law, 
so I don't know if you are in "public" when you are on your own land, or 
in your driveway.  In this case, he was on his porch, yelling at a man 
that as far as I can tell was on the public sidewalk.  He was also 
warned twice, assuming that the police report was accurate.

It's certainly possible that his rights were violated in this case, I 
don't know.  I still find it hard to sympathize with him, since he 
followed a police officer outside to continue to verbally abuse him.  A 
little restraint and a little empathy with a man doing an ugly job might 
have kept him out of jail for a night.

Paul

Sunil Ramalingam wrote:
> He proved he lived there.  Being rude in your own house is not an 
> arrestable offense.  What kind of police state do you want to live in?
>
> Sunil
>
> > Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 09:20:40 -0700
> > From: lfalen at turbonet.com
> > To: bear at moscow.com
> > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
> >
> > That is right, he was. The officer was responding to a potential 
> burglary. Gates should have been appreciative. Instead he was verbally 
> abusive.
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: Wayne Price bear at moscow.com
> > Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:05:10 -0700
> > To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
> >
> > > Roger,
> > >
> > > But he was in HIS OWN HOUSE!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jul 29, 2009, at 10:57 AM, lfalen wrote:
> > >
> > > > I think thar you are missing the point. Gate was belligerent from
> > > > the git go before he finally identified himself. He at first
> > > > refused to do so. He was arrested for verbal abuse of a police
> > > > officer, not for burglary. If a black cop came to my house after I
> > > > had locked myself out I would thank him for doing his job. About 20
> > > > years ago when I was the Feed Plant Manager for Whitman County
> > > > Grower I was working late one night, trying to finish up the 
> monthly
> > > > billings. I had turned off the lights and went to sleep in a
> > > > sleeping bag. It was about 2:00 AM when a search light was 
> shined in
> > > > the window. A bull horn said " come out of there with your hands 
> up"
> > > > I said " as soon as I get my pants on". I identified myself telling
> > > > them what I was doing and they went on their way.
> > > > Roger
> > > >
> > > > -----Original message-----
> > > > From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> > > > Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 07:41:30 -0700
> > > > To: "g. crabtree" jampot at roadrunner.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
> > > >
> > > >> Look it up yourself. You don't trust my sources anyway! Trust 
> me, I'm
> > > >> not going to waste my time trying to convince you of anything. I'm
> > > >> just here to note your errors.
> > > >>
> > > >> Of course Gates could and should have handled it better. But once
> > > >> the
> > > >> ID was shown, the officer should have left. His services were no
> > > >> longer needed. Everything after that point was a waste of taxpayer
> > > >> dollars, something you usually care a lot about -- though it is not
> > > >> surprising you ignore it when it suits you. That is your MO.
> > > >>
> > > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > > >>
> > > >> On Jul 29, 2009, at 10:25 AM, "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> I failed to note it because I'm fairly sure that it didn't happen.
> > > >>> Please provide a link to BHO's apology to either Sgt. Crowley 
> or the
> > > >>> Cambridge P.D.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Having actually read the police report, it's clear that had Gates
> > > >>> simply and calmly shown his I.D. the officer would have left. 
> It was
> > > >>> Gates who continued to aggressively engage Sgt Crowley with 
> demands
> > > >>> and threats. Was Gates' arrest required? Probably not but, 
> there is
> > > >>> no question but what the professor was the one that was behaving
> > > >>> stupidly.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> g
> > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Campbell" 
> <philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> > > >>>>
> > > >>> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> > > >>> Cc: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>; "Moscow Vision 2020" 
> <vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > >>>>
> > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 6:41 AM
> > > >>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> If someone came to your house thinking you broke in and you 
> showed
> > > >>>> him ID proving you lived there and he didn't leave immediately,
> > > >>>> I'd say he acted stupidly -- even if you took the race elements
> > > >>>> out of it. As it turns out, Obama even said he was sorry, 
> which of
> > > >>>> course you failed to note.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Not that any of this will convince you.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Jul 29, 2009, at 9:12 AM, "g. crabtree" 
> <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> I'm not so sure that I'd go so far as to brand the POTUS a 
> racist
> > > >>>>> as it's a
> > > >>>>> term that gets thrown around a little to casually, in my 
> opinion.
> > > >>>>> I would,
> > > >>>>> however, like to know how you explain his standing in front 
> of the
> > > >>>>> nation
> > > >>>>> and stating up front that he doesn't know the whole story with
> > > >>>>> regard to his
> > > >>>>> pal Henry Gates and Cambridge police sergeant James Crowley and
> > > >>>>> yet went so
> > > >>>>> far as to characterize law enforcements actions as "behaving
> > > >>>>> stupidly?" How
> > > >>>>> many other decisions does the man reach without being fully
> > > >>>>> informed?
> > > >>>>> Judging from other remarks I've heard him make I'd venture 
> to say
> > > >>>>> Cap and
> > > >>>>> Trade and National Health Care might fall squarely into that 
> same
> > > >>>>> category.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> g
> > > >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >>>>> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> > > >>>>> To: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 5:41 AM
> > > >>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] Say What?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> "This president, I think, has exposed himself as a guy, 
> over and
> > > >>>>>> over and
> > > >>>>>> over again, who has a deep-seated hatred for white people 
> or the
> > > >>>>>> white
> > > >>>>>> culture, I don't know what it is. I'm not saying that he
> > > >>>>>> doesn't like
> > > >>>>>> white people. I'm saying he has a problem. This guy is, I
> > > >>>>>> believe, a
> > > >>>>>> racist.''
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> - Glenn Beck on President Obama (July 28, 2009)
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIZDnpPafaA
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> -----------------------------------------------
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Seeya round town, Moscow.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Tom Hansen
> > > >>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist 
> expects it
> > > >>>>>> to change
> > > >>>>>> and the Realist adjusts his sails."
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> - Unknown
> > > >>>>>>
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