[Vision2020] Say What?
lfalen
lfalen at turbonet.com
Thu Jul 30 10:27:40 PDT 2009
Paul
Thanks for your well reasoned response.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: Paul Rumelhart godshatter at yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:04:44 -0700
To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
> My take on the whole matter:
>
> The lady that reported the burglary in the first place should be
> reminded that not everyone trying to get in a stuck door is a criminal.
> Would she have called the police if Professor Gates was white? Who knows.
>
> Jumping immediately on Sgt. Crowley was an ill-advised move on Gates
> part. He had to investigate the alleged burglary, he couldn't just say
> "this lady is probably wrong, I'll just let it go". As Gary mentioned,
> a polite response would have made this all not happen. He could then
> have crowed about it to his heart's content, about how someone thought
> he was a burglar because he's black, what's this world coming to, etc.,
> etc. Now, to me at least, he comes across like a bad-tempered old man
> with a too short fuse when it comes to his race. If he had handled it
> calmly, I would have been right behind him when he talked about the
> sorry state of race relations in this country still today. He should
> not have followed Sgt. Crowley outside and continued to verbally abuse
> him. Maybe Sgt. Crowley could have shown a little fortitude and just
> left, but I find it hard to find pity for Professor Gates in this situation.
>
> President Obama, as human as everyone else, sided with his friend. It
> seems obvious to me. In my opinion, he should not have said what he did
> in the first place, and should have come out with an actual apology
> afterwards. He should still do that. Saying you respect the other
> person and maybe you could have worded it better without saying you were
> wrong is not an apology. Otherwise, you're adding insult to injury.
>
> Does this mean I think President Obama is unfit for office? No. It
> does mean that I don't think he's incapable of doing wrong, and it means
> that I certainly don't think he's a "saint".
>
> This is all assuming, of course, that it was written up the way that it
> actually happened.
>
> As for the Sergeant entering Professor Gates' house, isn't this
> acceptable when he's investigating a burglary? Especially since he
> entered only the foyer, from what I remember.
>
> Paul
>
> lfalen wrote:
> > That is right, he was. The officer was responding to a potential burglary. Gates should have been appreciative. Instead he was verbally abusive.
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: Wayne Price bear at moscow.com
> > Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:05:10 -0700
> > To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
> >
> >
> >> Roger,
> >>
> >> But he was in HIS OWN HOUSE!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jul 29, 2009, at 10:57 AM, lfalen wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> I think thar you are missing the point. Gate was belligerent from
> >>> the git go before he finally identified himself. He at first
> >>> refused to do so. He was arrested for verbal abuse of a police
> >>> officer, not for burglary. If a black cop came to my house after I
> >>> had locked myself out I would thank him for doing his job. About 20
> >>> years ago when I was the Feed Plant Manager for Whitman County
> >>> Grower I was working late one night, trying to finish up the monthly
> >>> billings. I had turned off the lights and went to sleep in a
> >>> sleeping bag. It was about 2:00 AM when a search light was shined in
> >>> the window. A bull horn said " come out of there with your hands up"
> >>> I said " as soon as I get my pants on". I identified myself telling
> >>> them what I was doing and they went on their way.
> >>> Roger
> >>>
> >>> -----Original message-----
> >>> From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> >>> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 07:41:30 -0700
> >>> To: "g. crabtree" jampot at roadrunner.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Look it up yourself. You don't trust my sources anyway! Trust me, I'm
> >>>> not going to waste my time trying to convince you of anything. I'm
> >>>> just here to note your errors.
> >>>>
> >>>> Of course Gates could and should have handled it better. But once
> >>>> the
> >>>> ID was shown, the officer should have left. His services were no
> >>>> longer needed. Everything after that point was a waste of taxpayer
> >>>> dollars, something you usually care a lot about -- though it is not
> >>>> surprising you ignore it when it suits you. That is your MO.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jul 29, 2009, at 10:25 AM, "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> I failed to note it because I'm fairly sure that it didn't happen.
> >>>>> Please provide a link to BHO's apology to either Sgt. Crowley or the
> >>>>> Cambridge P.D.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Having actually read the police report, it's clear that had Gates
> >>>>> simply and calmly shown his I.D. the officer would have left. It was
> >>>>> Gates who continued to aggressively engage Sgt Crowley with demands
> >>>>> and threats. Was Gates' arrest required? Probably not but, there is
> >>>>> no question but what the professor was the one that was behaving
> >>>>> stupidly.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> g
> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> >>>>> Cc: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>; "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 6:41 AM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> If someone came to your house thinking you broke in and you showed
> >>>>>> him ID proving you lived there and he didn't leave immediately,
> >>>>>> I'd say he acted stupidly -- even if you took the race elements
> >>>>>> out of it. As it turns out, Obama even said he was sorry, which of
> >>>>>> course you failed to note.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Not that any of this will convince you.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jul 29, 2009, at 9:12 AM, "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm not so sure that I'd go so far as to brand the POTUS a racist
> >>>>>>> as it's a
> >>>>>>> term that gets thrown around a little to casually, in my opinion.
> >>>>>>> I would,
> >>>>>>> however, like to know how you explain his standing in front of the
> >>>>>>> nation
> >>>>>>> and stating up front that he doesn't know the whole story with
> >>>>>>> regard to his
> >>>>>>> pal Henry Gates and Cambridge police sergeant James Crowley and
> >>>>>>> yet went so
> >>>>>>> far as to characterize law enforcements actions as "behaving
> >>>>>>> stupidly?" How
> >>>>>>> many other decisions does the man reach without being fully
> >>>>>>> informed?
> >>>>>>> Judging from other remarks I've heard him make I'd venture to say
> >>>>>>> Cap and
> >>>>>>> Trade and National Health Care might fall squarely into that same
> >>>>>>> category.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> g
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> >>>>>>> To: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 5:41 AM
> >>>>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] Say What?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "This president, I think, has exposed himself as a guy, over and
> >>>>>>>> over and
> >>>>>>>> over again, who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or the
> >>>>>>>> white
> >>>>>>>> culture, I don't know what it is. I'm not saying that he
> >>>>>>>> doesn't like
> >>>>>>>> white people. I'm saying he has a problem. This guy is, I
> >>>>>>>> believe, a
> >>>>>>>> racist.''
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> - Glenn Beck on President Obama (July 28, 2009)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIZDnpPafaA
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Seeya round town, Moscow.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Tom Hansen
> >>>>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it
> >>>>>>>> to change
> >>>>>>>> and the Realist adjusts his sails."
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> - Unknown
> >>>>>>>>
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