[Vision2020] Say What?
Wayne Price
bear at moscow.com
Thu Jul 30 10:07:55 PDT 2009
Roger,
So you think that anytime anyone calls in and says "I think I saw
someone breaking into the house at xyz main st " the police have a
right to burst in and abuse who ever is in there?
You don't think IF that was the standard, police agencies would use
that as an excuse to get into places rather than a warrant? REMEMBER,
anything a police officer sees inside, IF they are legally there is
admissible in court.
What happened to a reasonable expectation of privacy? You now need ID
when you're in your own house just to keep the police out ?
And in this particular case, once the owners ID was shown, the
policeman should have gotten the hell OUT.
On Jul 30, 2009, at 9:20 AM, lfalen wrote:
> That is right, he was. The officer was responding to a potential
> burglary. Gates should have been appreciative. Instead he was
> verbally abusive.
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: Wayne Price bear at moscow.com
> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:05:10 -0700
> To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
>
>> Roger,
>>
>> But he was in HIS OWN HOUSE!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 29, 2009, at 10:57 AM, lfalen wrote:
>>
>>> I think thar you are missing the point. Gate was belligerent from
>>> the git go before he finally identified himself. He at first
>>> refused to do so. He was arrested for verbal abuse of a police
>>> officer, not for burglary. If a black cop came to my house after I
>>> had locked myself out I would thank him for doing his job. About 20
>>> years ago when I was the Feed Plant Manager for Whitman County
>>> Grower I was working late one night, trying to finish up the monthly
>>> billings. I had turned off the lights and went to sleep in a
>>> sleeping bag. It was about 2:00 AM when a search light was shined in
>>> the window. A bull horn said " come out of there with your hands up"
>>> I said " as soon as I get my pants on". I identified myself telling
>>> them what I was doing and they went on their way.
>>> Roger
>>>
>>> -----Original message-----
>>> From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
>>> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 07:41:30 -0700
>>> To: "g. crabtree" jampot at roadrunner.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
>>>
>>>> Look it up yourself. You don't trust my sources anyway! Trust me,
>>>> I'm
>>>> not going to waste my time trying to convince you of anything. I'm
>>>> just here to note your errors.
>>>>
>>>> Of course Gates could and should have handled it better. But once
>>>> the
>>>> ID was shown, the officer should have left. His services were no
>>>> longer needed. Everything after that point was a waste of taxpayer
>>>> dollars, something you usually care a lot about -- though it is not
>>>> surprising you ignore it when it suits you. That is your MO.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 29, 2009, at 10:25 AM, "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I failed to note it because I'm fairly sure that it didn't happen.
>>>>> Please provide a link to BHO's apology to either Sgt. Crowley or
>>>>> the
>>>>> Cambridge P.D.
>>>>>
>>>>> Having actually read the police report, it's clear that had Gates
>>>>> simply and calmly shown his I.D. the officer would have left. It
>>>>> was
>>>>> Gates who continued to aggressively engage Sgt Crowley with
>>>>> demands
>>>>> and threats. Was Gates' arrest required? Probably not but, there
>>>>> is
>>>>> no question but what the professor was the one that was behaving
>>>>> stupidly.
>>>>>
>>>>> g
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
>>>>> Cc: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>; "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>>>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 6:41 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> If someone came to your house thinking you broke in and you
>>>>>> showed
>>>>>> him ID proving you lived there and he didn't leave immediately,
>>>>>> I'd say he acted stupidly -- even if you took the race elements
>>>>>> out of it. As it turns out, Obama even said he was sorry,
>>>>>> which of
>>>>>> course you failed to note.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not that any of this will convince you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 29, 2009, at 9:12 AM, "g. crabtree"
>>>>>> <jampot at roadrunner.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not so sure that I'd go so far as to brand the POTUS a
>>>>>>> racist
>>>>>>> as it's a
>>>>>>> term that gets thrown around a little to casually, in my
>>>>>>> opinion.
>>>>>>> I would,
>>>>>>> however, like to know how you explain his standing in front of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> nation
>>>>>>> and stating up front that he doesn't know the whole story with
>>>>>>> regard to his
>>>>>>> pal Henry Gates and Cambridge police sergeant James Crowley and
>>>>>>> yet went so
>>>>>>> far as to characterize law enforcements actions as "behaving
>>>>>>> stupidly?" How
>>>>>>> many other decisions does the man reach without being fully
>>>>>>> informed?
>>>>>>> Judging from other remarks I've heard him make I'd venture to
>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>> Cap and
>>>>>>> Trade and National Health Care might fall squarely into that
>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>> category.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> g
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 5:41 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] Say What?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "This president, I think, has exposed himself as a guy, over
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> over and
>>>>>>>> over again, who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> white
>>>>>>>> culture, I don't know what it is. I'm not saying that he
>>>>>>>> doesn't like
>>>>>>>> white people. I'm saying he has a problem. This guy is, I
>>>>>>>> believe, a
>>>>>>>> racist.''
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Glenn Beck on President Obama (July 28, 2009)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIZDnpPafaA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> to change
>>>>>>>> and the Realist adjusts his sails."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Unknown
>>>>>>>>
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