[Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a Palin'onDowntownParking

Kai Eiselein editor at lataheagle.com
Tue Jul 28 11:51:57 PDT 2009


So, you are saying that if Imus had singled out one player to call a 
"nappy-headed ho", THAT would have been okay.
I see, point made, I'll no longer argue it.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
To: "Kai Eiselein" <editor at lataheagle.com>
Cc: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>; "vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a 
Palin'onDowntownParking


> The joke was not about a child. Get the facts right. Nor was it about 
> young adults in general. It was about a single young adult.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 28, 2009, at 1:45 PM, "Kai Eiselein" <editor at lataheagle.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> Joe, there is also a long history of obnoxious, offensive, sexually 
>> suggestive jokes about children, too. The Palin comment is another 
>> additon to that list.
>> To compare the history of black jokes to one sexually suggestive  child 
>> joke suggests you are either naive about the subject, or are  being less 
>> than truthful in your argument.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Campbell" 
>> <philosopher.joe at gmail.com
>> >
>> To: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
>> Cc: "vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 10:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a 
>> Palin'onDowntownParking
>>
>>
>>> Give me a break, Roger. First, there are more people in a group than
>>> there is in a single individual, more people to offend. Second, there
>>> is a history of prejudice associated with Imus' comment but not with
>>> Letterman's bad joke. You do know about the history of prejudice
>>> against blacks in the US, right? It's a lot longer and a lot worse
>>> than the history of inappropriate comments made against Palin's kids.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 28, 2009, at 1:05 PM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is every bit as bad. Why does it have to be a group? To insult a
>>>> family is just as bad. Why do you think it is less offensive to
>>>> insult an individual or a family?
>>>> Not to Sunil on the basketball team- You misunderstood me, probably
>>>> due to my poor phrasing. I did not mean to imply that the team was
>>>> leftist. There political views are unknown. at least to me.
>>>> Roger
>>>> -----Original message-----
>>>> From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
>>>> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 11:21:44 -0700
>>>> To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a
>>>> Palin'onDowntown Parking
>>>>
>>>>> Who is being inconsistent? There was public outcry in both cases,
>>>>> which is why both were forced to appologize. But you can't be  serious
>>>>> that Letterman's bad joke was as bad as Imus's. What GROUP of  people
>>>>> did Letterman offend? Unwed mothers? Alaskans? Baseball fans?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 16, 2009, at 11:08 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The inconsistency here is that Letterman's apo;gy was late in  coming
>>>>>> and did not sound sincere. He did not get any any trouble for it.
>>>>>> Contrast that with Immus. He apologizes profussly and went to see
>>>>>> the the girls in question in person. He was fired. It seems that  one
>>>>>> can  get away with jokes about those on the right, but you are in
>>>>>> deep trouble if the joke is about a minority, particularly if they
>>>>>> are on the left. These sort of things should be off limits no  matter
>>>>>> who the recipient is( kids in particular)
>>>>>> Roger
>>>>>> -----Original message-----
>>>>>> From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
>>>>>> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:08:03 -0700
>>>>>> To: "g. crabtree" jampot at roadrunner.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a
>>>>>> Palin'onDowntown Parking
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bullshit. Letterman clarified who the joke was about.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 11, 2009, at 12:45 PM, "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 14 year old Willow was the daughter that was in the same ball  park
>>>>>>>> as the ball player in question. To claim the joke was about
>>>>>>>> Bristol
>>>>>>>> is low order sophistry. And since the post you're responding to
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> directed to the hamster, I didn't really expect you to be  running
>>>>>>>> any errands on my behalf either.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> g
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: Sunil Ramalingam
>>>>>>>> Cc: vision 2020
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 8:49 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a
>>>>>>>> Palin'onDowntown Parking
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And since Letterman was making a joke about Palin's eldest
>>>>>>>> daughter,
>>>>>>>> I won't be running that other errand for you either.  Look for  it
>>>>>>>> yourself if you're that interested in it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sunil
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: jampot at roadrunner.com
>>>>>>>>> To: thansen at moscow.com; sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
>>>>>>>>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a Palin'
>>>>>>>> onDowntown Parking
>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:08:18 -0700
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Actually, why don't you document the example you just provided.
>>>>>>>> Hows about
>>>>>>>>> you provide a link to the video or the audio of McCain actually
>>>>>>>> making that
>>>>>>>>> particular jape? I'm afraid a mention on a left wing web site
>>>>>>>> isn't quite
>>>>>>>>> the definitive documentation needed to convince me. Being the
>>>>>>>> lists u-tube
>>>>>>>>> guru, this ought to be a fairly simple matter for you to  arrange.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe while you're at it find something equivalent to the  amusing
>>>>>>>> anecdotes
>>>>>>>>> involving the 14 year old daughters of conservative western  state
>>>>>>>> governors
>>>>>>>>> having casual sex in public with baseball players widely noted
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> inability to keep it in their trousers. That would be a real
>>>>>>>>> hoot.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'll be waiting for that link...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> g
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Cc: "vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 12:10 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a Palin'
>>>>>>>> onDowntown
>>>>>>>>> Parking
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For instance . . .
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet
>>>>>>>> Reno." "
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - Sen. John McCain, speaking to a Republican dinner, June  1998.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://crooksandliars.com/2008/02/09/john-mccains-crude-chelsea-clinton-joke/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Let me know if you are interested in more McCain-isms, g.  And be
>>>>>>>> specific
>>>>>>>>>> if you prefer McCain during the early years (1988 - 2000) or
>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>> more contemporary, ok?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>>>>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Really? You've never heard of it before?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> S
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> From: lockshop at pull.twcbc.com
>>>>>>>>>>> To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a  Palin'
>>>>>>>>>>> onDowntown Parking
>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:49:27 -0700
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Document?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> g
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>>>>>> Sunil Ramalingam
>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: vision 2020
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 11:27
>>>>>>>>>>> AM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City
>>>>>>>>>>> Council 'Pulling a Palin' onDowntown Parking
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Gary,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I guess you could ask John McCain about where the
>>>>>>>>>>> limits are; based on his behavior, he seemed to believe in  1998
>>>>>>>> that it
>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>> open season on Hillary Clinton, Janet Reno, and Chelsea
>>>>>>>> Clinton, when
>>>>>>>>>>> the last
>>>>>>>>>>> was 18. At least she was no longer legally a
>>>>>>>>>>> child.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sunil
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: lockshop at pull.twcbc.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>>>>> jampot at roadrunner.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date:
>>>>>>>>>>> Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:47:26 -0700
>>>>>>>>>>>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a  Palin'
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>> Downtown
>>>>>>>>>>> Parking
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No appology required (after all, I'm not the one
>>>>>>>>>>> being crudely refered to)
>>>>>>>>>>>> but, does this mean that any vulgar or
>>>>>>>>>>> sexual remark is fair game when
>>>>>>>>>>>> discussing public figures? I don't
>>>>>>>>>>> think I am personally willing to go down
>>>>>>>>>>>> that path but it would be
>>>>>>>>>>> nice to know what the current ground rules are. Is
>>>>>>>>>>>> it now going to be
>>>>>>>>>>> cool to make ribald, boardering on obscene suggestions
>>>>>>>>>>>> about Michele
>>>>>>>>>>> Obama? Can we now go crazy when remarking on Hillary's looks
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> sexuality? Can we drop it on down to the local level and  smear
>>>>>>>> Mayor
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chaney with remarks simalar to those made by late night TV
>>>>>>>>>>> hacks?
>>>>>>>>>>> Please
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> fill me in with regard to where the boundries are going to  be
>>>>>>>> set or
>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>> there will be any at all. It pains me to be behind the  curve.
>>>>>>>>>>> Speaking of
>>>>>>>>>>>> which:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Emailing:
>>>>>>>>>>> 6a00d8341c4df253ef011570f27fe3970c-800wi
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> g
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: <bear at moscow.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: "Moscow Vision 2020"
>>>>>>>>>>> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 5:50
>>>>>>>>>>> PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a
>>>>>>>> Palin' on
>>>>>>>>>>> Downtown
>>>>>>>>>>>> Parking
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> GARY:
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll apologize up front, this IS a cheep shot but I just  can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> resist!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would this be considered
>>>>>>>>>>> "Governorus Interruptus" by the only Palin with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sense to pull
>>>>>>>>>>> out early? *S*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> --- 
>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Urban Dictionary has adopted a new phrase for its
>>>>>>>> dictionary
>>>>>>>>>>> (with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> four definitions):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Puling a Palin"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Courtesy of the Urban
>>>>>>>>>>> Dictionary at:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pulling+a +palin
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Pulling a Palin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Republican
>>>>>>>>>>> art of disguising your inept knowledge by answering a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> question with another question as in "with what respect
>>>>>>>>>>> Charlie?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Charlie asks "do you agree with the Bush
>>>>>>>>>>> Doctrine?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sarah responds "in what respect
>>>>>>>>>>> Charlie?" "do you mean his world view"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> staring with blank
>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance at Charlie.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sarah was just caught
>>>>>>>>>>> Pulling a Palin!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Pulling a Palin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Telling a large and obvious lie for personal gain.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even though I have a herpes sore on my lip, I'm pulling a
>>>>>>>> Palin
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> telling her I'm a virgin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Pulling a
>>>>>>>>>>> Palin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rambling non-stop unrelated
>>>>>>>>>>> information to try to hide the fact that you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have no clue
>>>>>>>>>>> about what someone just asked you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COURIC:
>>>>>>>>>>> Why isn't it better, Governor Palin, to spend $700 billion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> helping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> middle-class families struggling with health care,
>>>>>>>>>>> housing, gas and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> groceries? Allow them to spend more and put
>>>>>>>>>>> more money into the economy?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instead of helping these big
>>>>>>>>>>> financial institutions that played a role in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> creating this
>>>>>>>>>>> mess?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PALIN: That's why I say, I    like...
>>>>>>>>>>> ever American I'm speaking with were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ill about this position
>>>>>>>>>>> that we have been put in where it is the tax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> payers looking
>>>>>>>>>>> to bailout.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But ultimately, what the bailout
>>>>>>>>>>> does... is... help... those... who are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concerned about the
>>>>>>>>>>> health care reform that is needed to help shore up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economy ... Helping the ... Oh, it's got to be about job
>>>>>>>>>>> creation too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shoring up our economy and putting it back on
>>>>>>>>>>> the right track. So health
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> care reform... and reducing
>>>>>>>>>>> taxes... and reining in spending has got to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accompany tax
>>>>>>>>>>> reductions... and tax relief for Americas... And trade...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> we've got to see trade... mmm... as opportunity... mmm... not
>>>>>>>> as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> competitive scary thing. But 1 in 5 jobs being created in
>>>>>>>> the trade
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sector
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today. We've got to look at that as
>>>>>>>>>>> more opportunity... All those things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under the umbrella of
>>>>>>>>>>> job creation. This bailout is a part of that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> COURIC: Are you pulling a Palin?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> PALIN: Yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Pulling a Palin 10 up, 2 down
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pulling a Palin is the act of being chosen for the
>>>>>>>>>>> Republican party Vice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> President while knowing that your 17
>>>>>>>>>>> year old daughter is pregnant. This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adds a lot of controversy
>>>>>>>>>>> to the election as the family values and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> truthiness of Palin
>>>>>>>>>>> are scrutinized.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nick is Pulling a Palin by
>>>>>>>>>>> entering that marathon with his    heart
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> condition.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In light of . . .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.moscowcares.com/070609_06_DowntownParking.htm
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We must now ask ourselves seriously, Visionaires . .
>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is our City Council pulling a
>>>>>>>>>>> Palin?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the
>>>>>>>>>>> Optimist expects it to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>>>> Realist adjusts his sails."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>> Unknown
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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