[Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a Palin'onDowntownParking
Joe Campbell
philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Tue Jul 28 11:23:25 PDT 2009
The joke was not about a child. Get the facts right. Nor was it about
young adults in general. It was about a single young adult.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 28, 2009, at 1:45 PM, "Kai Eiselein" <editor at lataheagle.com>
wrote:
> Joe, there is also a long history of obnoxious, offensive, sexually
> suggestive jokes about children, too. The Palin comment is another
> additon to that list.
> To compare the history of black jokes to one sexually suggestive
> child joke suggests you are either naive about the subject, or are
> being less than truthful in your argument.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> >
> To: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> Cc: "vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 10:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a
> Palin'onDowntownParking
>
>
>> Give me a break, Roger. First, there are more people in a group than
>> there is in a single individual, more people to offend. Second, there
>> is a history of prejudice associated with Imus' comment but not with
>> Letterman's bad joke. You do know about the history of prejudice
>> against blacks in the US, right? It's a lot longer and a lot worse
>> than the history of inappropriate comments made against Palin's kids.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 28, 2009, at 1:05 PM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It is every bit as bad. Why does it have to be a group? To insult a
>>> family is just as bad. Why do you think it is less offensive to
>>> insult an individual or a family?
>>> Not to Sunil on the basketball team- You misunderstood me, probably
>>> due to my poor phrasing. I did not mean to imply that the team was
>>> leftist. There political views are unknown. at least to me.
>>> Roger
>>> -----Original message-----
>>> From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
>>> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 11:21:44 -0700
>>> To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a
>>> Palin'onDowntown Parking
>>>
>>>> Who is being inconsistent? There was public outcry in both cases,
>>>> which is why both were forced to appologize. But you can't be
>>>> serious
>>>> that Letterman's bad joke was as bad as Imus's. What GROUP of
>>>> people
>>>> did Letterman offend? Unwed mothers? Alaskans? Baseball fans?
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 16, 2009, at 11:08 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The inconsistency here is that Letterman's apo;gy was late in
>>>>> coming
>>>>> and did not sound sincere. He did not get any any trouble for it.
>>>>> Contrast that with Immus. He apologizes profussly and went to see
>>>>> the the girls in question in person. He was fired. It seems that
>>>>> one
>>>>> can get away with jokes about those on the right, but you are in
>>>>> deep trouble if the joke is about a minority, particularly if they
>>>>> are on the left. These sort of things should be off limits no
>>>>> matter
>>>>> who the recipient is( kids in particular)
>>>>> Roger
>>>>> -----Original message-----
>>>>> From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
>>>>> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:08:03 -0700
>>>>> To: "g. crabtree" jampot at roadrunner.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a
>>>>> Palin'onDowntown Parking
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit. Letterman clarified who the joke was about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 11, 2009, at 12:45 PM, "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 14 year old Willow was the daughter that was in the same ball
>>>>>>> park
>>>>>>> as the ball player in question. To claim the joke was about
>>>>>>> Bristol
>>>>>>> is low order sophistry. And since the post you're responding to
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> directed to the hamster, I didn't really expect you to be
>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>> any errands on my behalf either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> g
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: Sunil Ramalingam
>>>>>>> Cc: vision 2020
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 8:49 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a
>>>>>>> Palin'onDowntown Parking
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And since Letterman was making a joke about Palin's eldest
>>>>>>> daughter,
>>>>>>> I won't be running that other errand for you either. Look for
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> yourself if you're that interested in it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sunil
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: jampot at roadrunner.com
>>>>>>>> To: thansen at moscow.com; sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
>>>>>>>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a Palin'
>>>>>>> onDowntown Parking
>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:08:18 -0700
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Actually, why don't you document the example you just provided.
>>>>>>> Hows about
>>>>>>>> you provide a link to the video or the audio of McCain actually
>>>>>>> making that
>>>>>>>> particular jape? I'm afraid a mention on a left wing web site
>>>>>>> isn't quite
>>>>>>>> the definitive documentation needed to convince me. Being the
>>>>>>> lists u-tube
>>>>>>>> guru, this ought to be a fairly simple matter for you to
>>>>>>>> arrange.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe while you're at it find something equivalent to the
>>>>>>>> amusing
>>>>>>> anecdotes
>>>>>>>> involving the 14 year old daughters of conservative western
>>>>>>>> state
>>>>>>> governors
>>>>>>>> having casual sex in public with baseball players widely noted
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>> inability to keep it in their trousers. That would be a real
>>>>>>>> hoot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll be waiting for that link...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> g
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Cc: "vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 12:10 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a Palin'
>>>>>>> onDowntown
>>>>>>>> Parking
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For instance . . .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet
>>>>>>> Reno." "
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Sen. John McCain, speaking to a Republican dinner, June
>>>>>>>>> 1998.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://crooksandliars.com/2008/02/09/john-mccains-crude-chelsea-clinton-joke/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let me know if you are interested in more McCain-isms, g.
>>>>>>>>> And be
>>>>>>> specific
>>>>>>>>> if you prefer McCain during the early years (1988 - 2000) or
>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>> more contemporary, ok?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>>>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Really? You've never heard of it before?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> S
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: lockshop at pull.twcbc.com
>>>>>>>>>> To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a
>>>>>>>>>> Palin'
>>>>>>>>>> onDowntown Parking
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:49:27 -0700
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Document?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> g
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>>>>> Sunil Ramalingam
>>>>>>>>>> Cc: vision 2020
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 11:27
>>>>>>>>>> AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City
>>>>>>>>>> Council 'Pulling a Palin' onDowntown Parking
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gary,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I guess you could ask John McCain about where the
>>>>>>>>>> limits are; based on his behavior, he seemed to believe in
>>>>>>>>>> 1998
>>>>>>> that it
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>> open season on Hillary Clinton, Janet Reno, and Chelsea
>>>>>>> Clinton, when
>>>>>>>>>> the last
>>>>>>>>>> was 18. At least she was no longer legally a
>>>>>>>>>> child.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sunil
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> From: lockshop at pull.twcbc.com
>>>>>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>>>> jampot at roadrunner.com
>>>>>>>>>>> Date:
>>>>>>>>>> Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:47:26 -0700
>>>>>>>>>>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a
>>>>>>>>>> Palin'
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> Downtown
>>>>>>>>>> Parking
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No appology required (after all, I'm not the one
>>>>>>>>>> being crudely refered to)
>>>>>>>>>>> but, does this mean that any vulgar or
>>>>>>>>>> sexual remark is fair game when
>>>>>>>>>>> discussing public figures? I don't
>>>>>>>>>> think I am personally willing to go down
>>>>>>>>>>> that path but it would be
>>>>>>>>>> nice to know what the current ground rules are. Is
>>>>>>>>>>> it now going to be
>>>>>>>>>> cool to make ribald, boardering on obscene suggestions
>>>>>>>>>>> about Michele
>>>>>>>>>> Obama? Can we now go crazy when remarking on Hillary's looks
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> sexuality? Can we drop it on down to the local level and
>>>>>>>>>> smear
>>>>>>> Mayor
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chaney with remarks simalar to those made by late night TV
>>>>>>>>>> hacks?
>>>>>>>>>> Please
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> fill me in with regard to where the boundries are going to
>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> set or
>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>> there will be any at all. It pains me to be behind the
>>>>>>>>>>> curve.
>>>>>>>>>> Speaking of
>>>>>>>>>>> which:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Emailing:
>>>>>>>>>> 6a00d8341c4df253ef011570f27fe3970c-800wi
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> g
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: <bear at moscow.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: "Moscow Vision 2020"
>>>>>>>>>> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 5:50
>>>>>>>>>> PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a
>>>>>>> Palin' on
>>>>>>>>>> Downtown
>>>>>>>>>>> Parking
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> GARY:
>>>>>>>>>> I'll apologize up front, this IS a cheep shot but I just
>>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> resist!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Would this be considered
>>>>>>>>>> "Governorus Interruptus" by the only Palin with
>>>>>>>>>>>> the sense to pull
>>>>>>>>>> out early? *S*
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---
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>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Urban Dictionary has adopted a new phrase for its
>>>>>>> dictionary
>>>>>>>>>> (with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> four definitions):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Puling a Palin"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Courtesy of the Urban
>>>>>>>>>> Dictionary at:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pulling+a
>>>>>>>>>> +palin
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Pulling a Palin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Republican
>>>>>>>>>> art of disguising your inept knowledge by answering a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> question with another question as in "with what respect
>>>>>>>>>> Charlie?"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Charlie asks "do you agree with the Bush
>>>>>>>>>> Doctrine?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sarah responds "in what respect
>>>>>>>>>> Charlie?" "do you mean his world view"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> staring with blank
>>>>>>>>>> ignorance at Charlie.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sarah was just caught
>>>>>>>>>> Pulling a Palin!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Pulling a Palin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Telling a large and obvious lie for personal gain.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Even though I have a herpes sore on my lip, I'm pulling a
>>>>>>> Palin
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> telling her I'm a virgin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Pulling a
>>>>>>>>>> Palin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rambling non-stop unrelated
>>>>>>>>>> information to try to hide the fact that you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have no clue
>>>>>>>>>> about what someone just asked you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> COURIC:
>>>>>>>>>> Why isn't it better, Governor Palin, to spend $700 billion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> helping
>>>>>>>>>>>>> middle-class families struggling with health care,
>>>>>>>>>> housing, gas and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> groceries? Allow them to spend more and put
>>>>>>>>>> more money into the economy?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instead of helping these big
>>>>>>>>>> financial institutions that played a role in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> creating this
>>>>>>>>>> mess?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> PALIN: That's why I say, I like...
>>>>>>>>>> ever American I'm speaking with were
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ill about this position
>>>>>>>>>> that we have been put in where it is the tax
>>>>>>>>>>>>> payers looking
>>>>>>>>>> to bailout.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But ultimately, what the bailout
>>>>>>>>>> does... is... help... those... who are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> concerned about the
>>>>>>>>>> health care reform that is needed to help shore up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> economy ... Helping the ... Oh, it's got to be about job
>>>>>>>>>> creation too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shoring up our economy and putting it back on
>>>>>>>>>> the right track. So health
>>>>>>>>>>>>> care reform... and reducing
>>>>>>>>>> taxes... and reining in spending has got to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> accompany tax
>>>>>>>>>> reductions... and tax relief for Americas... And trade...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> we've got to see trade... mmm... as opportunity... mmm... not
>>>>>>> as a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> competitive scary thing. But 1 in 5 jobs being created in
>>>>>>> the trade
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sector
>>>>>>>>>>>>> today. We've got to look at that as
>>>>>>>>>> more opportunity... All those things
>>>>>>>>>>>>> under the umbrella of
>>>>>>>>>> job creation. This bailout is a part of that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> COURIC: Are you pulling a Palin?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> PALIN: Yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Pulling a Palin 10 up, 2 down
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pulling a Palin is the act of being chosen for the
>>>>>>>>>> Republican party Vice
>>>>>>>>>>>>> President while knowing that your 17
>>>>>>>>>> year old daughter is pregnant. This
>>>>>>>>>>>>> adds a lot of controversy
>>>>>>>>>> to the election as the family values and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> truthiness of Palin
>>>>>>>>>> are scrutinized.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nick is Pulling a Palin by
>>>>>>>>>> entering that marathon with his heart
>>>>>>>>>>>>> condition.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In light of . . .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.moscowcares.com/070609_06_DowntownParking.htm
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We must now ask ourselves seriously, Visionaires . .
>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is our City Council pulling a
>>>>>>>>>> Palin?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the
>>>>>>>>>> Optimist expects it to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>>> Realist adjusts his sails."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>> Unknown
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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