[Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a Palin'onDowntown Parking

[lfalen]

It is wrong no matter what the number is. You should not try and justify if because she is just one person, white and Palin's daughter. If it had been Kerry or Obama's daughter, you would probably have a different view.

Roger
-----Original message-----
From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:27:19 -0700
To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a Palin'onDowntown Parking

> Give me a break, Roger. First, there are more people in a group than  
> there is in a single individual, more people to offend. Second, there  
> is a history of prejudice associated with Imus' comment but not with  
> Letterman's bad joke. You do know about the history of prejudice  
> against blacks in the US, right? It's a lot longer and a lot worse  
> than the history of inappropriate comments made against Palin's kids.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 28, 2009, at 1:05 PM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> 
> > It is every bit as bad. Why does it have to be a group? To insult a  
> > family is just as bad. Why do you think it is less offensive to  
> > insult an individual or a family?
> > Not to Sunil on the basketball team- You misunderstood me, probably  
> > due to my poor phrasing. I did not mean to imply that the team was  
> > leftist. There political views are unknown. at least to me.
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> > Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 11:21:44 -0700
> > To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a  
> > Palin'onDowntown Parking
> >
> >> Who is being inconsistent? There was public outcry in both cases,
> >> which is why both were forced to appologize. But you can't be serious
> >> that Letterman's bad joke was as bad as Imus's. What GROUP of people
> >> did Letterman offend? Unwed mothers? Alaskans? Baseball fans?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Jul 16, 2009, at 11:08 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The inconsistency here is that Letterman's apo;gy was late in coming
> >>> and did not sound sincere. He did not get any any trouble for it.
> >>> Contrast that with Immus. He apologizes profussly and went to see
> >>> the the girls in question in person. He was fired. It seems that one
> >>> can  get away with jokes about those on the right, but you are in
> >>> deep trouble if the joke is about a minority, particularly if they
> >>> are on the left. These sort of things should be off limits no matter
> >>> who the recipient is( kids in particular)
> >>> Roger
> >>> -----Original message-----
> >>> From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> >>> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:08:03 -0700
> >>> To: "g. crabtree" jampot at roadrunner.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a
> >>> Palin'onDowntown Parking
> >>>
> >>>> Bullshit. Letterman clarified who the joke was about.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jul 11, 2009, at 12:45 PM, "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> 14 year old Willow was the daughter that was in the same ball park
> >>>>> as the ball player in question. To claim the joke was about  
> >>>>> Bristol
> >>>>> is low order sophistry. And since the post you're responding to  
> >>>>> was
> >>>>> directed to the hamster, I didn't really expect you to be running
> >>>>> any errands on my behalf either.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> g
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: Sunil Ramalingam
> >>>>> Cc: vision 2020
> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 8:49 AM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a
> >>>>> Palin'onDowntown Parking
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And since Letterman was making a joke about Palin's eldest  
> >>>>> daughter,
> >>>>> I won't be running that other errand for you either.  Look for it
> >>>>> yourself if you're that interested in it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sunil
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> From: jampot at roadrunner.com
> >>>>>> To: thansen at moscow.com; sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> >>>>>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a Palin'
> >>>>> onDowntown Parking
> >>>>>> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:08:18 -0700
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Actually, why don't you document the example you just provided.
> >>>>> Hows about
> >>>>>> you provide a link to the video or the audio of McCain actually
> >>>>> making that
> >>>>>> particular jape? I'm afraid a mention on a left wing web site
> >>>>> isn't quite
> >>>>>> the definitive documentation needed to convince me. Being the
> >>>>> lists u-tube
> >>>>>> guru, this ought to be a fairly simple matter for you to arrange.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Maybe while you're at it find something equivalent to the amusing
> >>>>> anecdotes
> >>>>>> involving the 14 year old daughters of conservative western state
> >>>>> governors
> >>>>>> having casual sex in public with baseball players widely noted  
> >>>>>> for
> >>>>> their
> >>>>>> inability to keep it in their trousers. That would be a real  
> >>>>>> hoot.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'll be waiting for that link...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> g
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> >>>>>> To: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> >>>>>> Cc: "vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 12:10 PM
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a Palin'
> >>>>> onDowntown
> >>>>>> Parking
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> For instance . . .
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet
> >>>>> Reno." "
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> - Sen. John McCain, speaking to a Republican dinner, June 1998.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://crooksandliars.com/2008/02/09/john-mccains-crude-chelsea-clinton-joke/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -------------
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Let me know if you are interested in more McCain-isms, g. And be
> >>>>> specific
> >>>>>>> if you prefer McCain during the early years (1988 - 2000) or
> >>>>> something
> >>>>>>> more contemporary, ok?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Tom Hansen
> >>>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Really? You've never heard of it before?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> S
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> From: lockshop at pull.twcbc.com
> >>>>>>>> To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a Palin'
> >>>>>>>> onDowntown Parking
> >>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:49:27 -0700
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Document?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> g
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>> From:
> >>>>>>>> Sunil Ramalingam
> >>>>>>>> Cc: vision 2020
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 11:27
> >>>>>>>> AM
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City
> >>>>>>>> Council 'Pulling a Palin' onDowntown Parking
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Gary,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I guess you could ask John McCain about where the
> >>>>>>>> limits are; based on his behavior, he seemed to believe in 1998
> >>>>> that it
> >>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>> open season on Hillary Clinton, Janet Reno, and Chelsea
> >>>>> Clinton, when
> >>>>>>>> the last
> >>>>>>>> was 18. At least she was no longer legally a
> >>>>>>>> child.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sunil
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> From: lockshop at pull.twcbc.com
> >>>>>>>>> To:
> >>>>>>>> jampot at roadrunner.com
> >>>>>>>>> Date:
> >>>>>>>> Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:47:26 -0700
> >>>>>>>>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a Palin'
> >>>>> on
> >>>>>>>> Downtown
> >>>>>>>> Parking
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> No appology required (after all, I'm not the one
> >>>>>>>> being crudely refered to)
> >>>>>>>>> but, does this mean that any vulgar or
> >>>>>>>> sexual remark is fair game when
> >>>>>>>>> discussing public figures? I don't
> >>>>>>>> think I am personally willing to go down
> >>>>>>>>> that path but it would be
> >>>>>>>> nice to know what the current ground rules are. Is
> >>>>>>>>> it now going to be
> >>>>>>>> cool to make ribald, boardering on obscene suggestions
> >>>>>>>>> about Michele
> >>>>>>>> Obama? Can we now go crazy when remarking on Hillary's looks
> >>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> sexuality? Can we drop it on down to the local level and smear
> >>>>> Mayor
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Chaney with remarks simalar to those made by late night TV  
> >>>>>>>> hacks?
> >>>>>>>> Please
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> fill me in with regard to where the boundries are going to be
> >>>>> set or
> >>>>>>>> if
> >>>>>>>>> there will be any at all. It pains me to be behind the curve.
> >>>>>>>> Speaking of
> >>>>>>>>> which:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Emailing:
> >>>>>>>> 6a00d8341c4df253ef011570f27fe3970c-800wi
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> g
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>> From: <bear at moscow.com>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> To: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> >>>>>>>>> Cc: "Moscow Vision 2020"
> >>>>>>>> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 5:50
> >>>>>>>> PM
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a
> >>>>> Palin' on
> >>>>>>>> Downtown
> >>>>>>>>> Parking
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> GARY:
> >>>>>>>> I'll apologize up front, this IS a cheep shot but I just can't
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> resist!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Would this be considered
> >>>>>>>> "Governorus Interruptus" by the only Palin with
> >>>>>>>>>> the sense to pull
> >>>>>>>> out early? *S*
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The Urban Dictionary has adopted a new phrase for its
> >>>>> dictionary
> >>>>>>>> (with
> >>>>>>>>>>> four definitions):
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Puling a Palin"
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Courtesy of the Urban
> >>>>>>>> Dictionary at:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pulling+a+palin
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> 1. Pulling a Palin
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> The Republican
> >>>>>>>> art of disguising your inept knowledge by answering a
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> question with another question as in "with what respect  
> >>>>>>>> Charlie?"
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Charlie asks "do you agree with the Bush
> >>>>>>>> Doctrine?"
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sarah responds "in what respect
> >>>>>>>> Charlie?" "do you mean his world view"
> >>>>>>>>>>> staring with blank
> >>>>>>>> ignorance at Charlie.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sarah was just caught
> >>>>>>>> Pulling a Palin!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> ---------
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Pulling a Palin
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Telling a large and obvious lie for personal gain.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Even though I have a herpes sore on my lip, I'm pulling a
> >>>>> Palin
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>> telling her I'm a virgin.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> ---------
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> 3. Pulling a
> >>>>>>>> Palin
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Rambling non-stop unrelated
> >>>>>>>> information to try to hide the fact that you
> >>>>>>>>>>> have no clue
> >>>>>>>> about what someone just asked you.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> COURIC:
> >>>>>>>> Why isn't it better, Governor Palin, to spend $700 billion
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> helping
> >>>>>>>>>>> middle-class families struggling with health care,
> >>>>>>>> housing, gas and
> >>>>>>>>>>> groceries? Allow them to spend more and put
> >>>>>>>> more money into the economy?
> >>>>>>>>>>> Instead of helping these big
> >>>>>>>> financial institutions that played a role in
> >>>>>>>>>>> creating this
> >>>>>>>> mess?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> PALIN: That's why I say, I    like...
> >>>>>>>> ever American I'm speaking with were
> >>>>>>>>>>> ill about this position
> >>>>>>>> that we have been put in where it is the tax
> >>>>>>>>>>> payers looking
> >>>>>>>> to bailout.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> But ultimately, what the bailout
> >>>>>>>> does... is... help... those... who are
> >>>>>>>>>>> concerned about the
> >>>>>>>> health care reform that is needed to help shore up
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> economy ... Helping the ... Oh, it's got to be about job
> >>>>>>>> creation too.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Shoring up our economy and putting it back on
> >>>>>>>> the right track. So health
> >>>>>>>>>>> care reform... and reducing
> >>>>>>>> taxes... and reining in spending has got to
> >>>>>>>>>>> accompany tax
> >>>>>>>> reductions... and tax relief for Americas... And trade...
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> we've got to see trade... mmm... as opportunity... mmm... not
> >>>>> as a
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> competitive scary thing. But 1 in 5 jobs being created in
> >>>>> the trade
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> sector
> >>>>>>>>>>> today. We've got to look at that as
> >>>>>>>> more opportunity... All those things
> >>>>>>>>>>> under the umbrella of
> >>>>>>>> job creation. This bailout is a part of that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> COURIC: Are you pulling a Palin?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> PALIN: Yes.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> ---------
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> 4. Pulling a Palin 10 up, 2 down
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Pulling a Palin is the act of being chosen for the
> >>>>>>>> Republican party Vice
> >>>>>>>>>>> President while knowing that your 17
> >>>>>>>> year old daughter is pregnant. This
> >>>>>>>>>>> adds a lot of controversy
> >>>>>>>> to the election as the family values and
> >>>>>>>>>>> truthiness of Palin
> >>>>>>>> are scrutinized.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Nick is Pulling a Palin by
> >>>>>>>> entering that marathon with his    heart
> >>>>>>>>>>> condition.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> In light of . . .
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> http://www.moscowcares.com/070609_06_DowntownParking.htm
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> We must now ask ourselves seriously, Visionaires . .
> >>>>>>>> .
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Is our City Council pulling a
> >>>>>>>> Palin?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Seeya round town, Moscow.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Tom Hansen
> >>>>>>>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the
> >>>>>>>> Optimist expects it to
> >>>>>>>>>>> change
> >>>>>>>>>>> and the
> >>>>>>>> Realist adjusts his sails."
> >>>>>>>>>>>
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