[Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a Palin'onDowntown Parking

Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Tue Jul 28 10:27:19 PDT 2009 

Give me a break, Roger. First, there are more people in a group than  
there is in a single individual, more people to offend. Second, there  
is a history of prejudice associated with Imus' comment but not with  
Letterman's bad joke. You do know about the history of prejudice  
against blacks in the US, right? It's a lot longer and a lot worse  
than the history of inappropriate comments made against Palin's kids.

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On Jul 28, 2009, at 1:05 PM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:

> It is every bit as bad. Why does it have to be a group? To insult a  
> family is just as bad. Why do you think it is less offensive to  
> insult an individual or a family?
> Not to Sunil on the basketball team- You misunderstood me, probably  
> due to my poor phrasing. I did not mean to imply that the team was  
> leftist. There political views are unknown. at least to me.
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 11:21:44 -0700
> To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a  
> Palin'onDowntown Parking
>
>> Who is being inconsistent? There was public outcry in both cases,
>> which is why both were forced to appologize. But you can't be serious
>> that Letterman's bad joke was as bad as Imus's. What GROUP of people
>> did Letterman offend? Unwed mothers? Alaskans? Baseball fans?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 16, 2009, at 11:08 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The inconsistency here is that Letterman's apo;gy was late in coming
>>> and did not sound sincere. He did not get any any trouble for it.
>>> Contrast that with Immus. He apologizes profussly and went to see
>>> the the girls in question in person. He was fired. It seems that one
>>> can  get away with jokes about those on the right, but you are in
>>> deep trouble if the joke is about a minority, particularly if they
>>> are on the left. These sort of things should be off limits no matter
>>> who the recipient is( kids in particular)
>>> Roger
>>> -----Original message-----
>>> From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
>>> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:08:03 -0700
>>> To: "g. crabtree" jampot at roadrunner.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a
>>> Palin'onDowntown Parking
>>>
>>>> Bullshit. Letterman clarified who the joke was about.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 11, 2009, at 12:45 PM, "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 14 year old Willow was the daughter that was in the same ball park
>>>>> as the ball player in question. To claim the joke was about  
>>>>> Bristol
>>>>> is low order sophistry. And since the post you're responding to  
>>>>> was
>>>>> directed to the hamster, I didn't really expect you to be running
>>>>> any errands on my behalf either.
>>>>>
>>>>> g
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Sunil Ramalingam
>>>>> Cc: vision 2020
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 8:49 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a
>>>>> Palin'onDowntown Parking
>>>>>
>>>>> And since Letterman was making a joke about Palin's eldest  
>>>>> daughter,
>>>>> I won't be running that other errand for you either.  Look for it
>>>>> yourself if you're that interested in it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sunil
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: jampot at roadrunner.com
>>>>>> To: thansen at moscow.com; sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
>>>>>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a Palin'
>>>>> onDowntown Parking
>>>>>> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:08:18 -0700
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually, why don't you document the example you just provided.
>>>>> Hows about
>>>>>> you provide a link to the video or the audio of McCain actually
>>>>> making that
>>>>>> particular jape? I'm afraid a mention on a left wing web site
>>>>> isn't quite
>>>>>> the definitive documentation needed to convince me. Being the
>>>>> lists u-tube
>>>>>> guru, this ought to be a fairly simple matter for you to arrange.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe while you're at it find something equivalent to the amusing
>>>>> anecdotes
>>>>>> involving the 14 year old daughters of conservative western state
>>>>> governors
>>>>>> having casual sex in public with baseball players widely noted  
>>>>>> for
>>>>> their
>>>>>> inability to keep it in their trousers. That would be a real  
>>>>>> hoot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll be waiting for that link...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> g
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>>>>>> To: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>>>>>> Cc: "vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 12:10 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a Palin'
>>>>> onDowntown
>>>>>> Parking
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For instance . . .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet
>>>>> Reno." "
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Sen. John McCain, speaking to a Republican dinner, June 1998.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://crooksandliars.com/2008/02/09/john-mccains-crude-chelsea-clinton-joke/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me know if you are interested in more McCain-isms, g. And be
>>>>> specific
>>>>>>> if you prefer McCain during the early years (1988 - 2000) or
>>>>> something
>>>>>>> more contemporary, ok?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Really? You've never heard of it before?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> S
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: lockshop at pull.twcbc.com
>>>>>>>> To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a Palin'
>>>>>>>> onDowntown Parking
>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:49:27 -0700
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Document?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> g
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>>> Sunil Ramalingam
>>>>>>>> Cc: vision 2020
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 11:27
>>>>>>>> AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City
>>>>>>>> Council 'Pulling a Palin' onDowntown Parking
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gary,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I guess you could ask John McCain about where the
>>>>>>>> limits are; based on his behavior, he seemed to believe in 1998
>>>>> that it
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> open season on Hillary Clinton, Janet Reno, and Chelsea
>>>>> Clinton, when
>>>>>>>> the last
>>>>>>>> was 18. At least she was no longer legally a
>>>>>>>> child.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sunil
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: lockshop at pull.twcbc.com
>>>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>> jampot at roadrunner.com
>>>>>>>>> Date:
>>>>>>>> Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:47:26 -0700
>>>>>>>>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a Palin'
>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> Downtown
>>>>>>>> Parking
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No appology required (after all, I'm not the one
>>>>>>>> being crudely refered to)
>>>>>>>>> but, does this mean that any vulgar or
>>>>>>>> sexual remark is fair game when
>>>>>>>>> discussing public figures? I don't
>>>>>>>> think I am personally willing to go down
>>>>>>>>> that path but it would be
>>>>>>>> nice to know what the current ground rules are. Is
>>>>>>>>> it now going to be
>>>>>>>> cool to make ribald, boardering on obscene suggestions
>>>>>>>>> about Michele
>>>>>>>> Obama? Can we now go crazy when remarking on Hillary's looks
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> sexuality? Can we drop it on down to the local level and smear
>>>>> Mayor
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chaney with remarks simalar to those made by late night TV  
>>>>>>>> hacks?
>>>>>>>> Please
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> fill me in with regard to where the boundries are going to be
>>>>> set or
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>> there will be any at all. It pains me to be behind the curve.
>>>>>>>> Speaking of
>>>>>>>>> which:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Emailing:
>>>>>>>> 6a00d8341c4df253ef011570f27fe3970c-800wi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> g
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: <bear at moscow.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>>>>>>>>> Cc: "Moscow Vision 2020"
>>>>>>>> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 5:50
>>>>>>>> PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Our City Council 'Pulling a
>>>>> Palin' on
>>>>>>>> Downtown
>>>>>>>>> Parking
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> GARY:
>>>>>>>> I'll apologize up front, this IS a cheep shot but I just can't
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> resist!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Would this be considered
>>>>>>>> "Governorus Interruptus" by the only Palin with
>>>>>>>>>> the sense to pull
>>>>>>>> out early? *S*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> ---
>>>>> ---
>>>>> ---
>>>>> ---
>>>>> ---
>>>>> ---
>>>>> ---
>>>>> ---
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>>>>> ---
>>>>> ---
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Urban Dictionary has adopted a new phrase for its
>>>>> dictionary
>>>>>>>> (with
>>>>>>>>>>> four definitions):
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Puling a Palin"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Courtesy of the Urban
>>>>>>>> Dictionary at:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pulling+a+palin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1. Pulling a Palin
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Republican
>>>>>>>> art of disguising your inept knowledge by answering a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> question with another question as in "with what respect  
>>>>>>>> Charlie?"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Charlie asks "do you agree with the Bush
>>>>>>>> Doctrine?"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sarah responds "in what respect
>>>>>>>> Charlie?" "do you mean his world view"
>>>>>>>>>>> staring with blank
>>>>>>>> ignorance at Charlie.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sarah was just caught
>>>>>>>> Pulling a Palin!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Pulling a Palin
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Telling a large and obvious lie for personal gain.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Even though I have a herpes sore on my lip, I'm pulling a
>>>>> Palin
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> telling her I'm a virgin.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Pulling a
>>>>>>>> Palin
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rambling non-stop unrelated
>>>>>>>> information to try to hide the fact that you
>>>>>>>>>>> have no clue
>>>>>>>> about what someone just asked you.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> COURIC:
>>>>>>>> Why isn't it better, Governor Palin, to spend $700 billion
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> helping
>>>>>>>>>>> middle-class families struggling with health care,
>>>>>>>> housing, gas and
>>>>>>>>>>> groceries? Allow them to spend more and put
>>>>>>>> more money into the economy?
>>>>>>>>>>> Instead of helping these big
>>>>>>>> financial institutions that played a role in
>>>>>>>>>>> creating this
>>>>>>>> mess?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> PALIN: That's why I say, I    like...
>>>>>>>> ever American I'm speaking with were
>>>>>>>>>>> ill about this position
>>>>>>>> that we have been put in where it is the tax
>>>>>>>>>>> payers looking
>>>>>>>> to bailout.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But ultimately, what the bailout
>>>>>>>> does... is... help... those... who are
>>>>>>>>>>> concerned about the
>>>>>>>> health care reform that is needed to help shore up
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> economy ... Helping the ... Oh, it's got to be about job
>>>>>>>> creation too.
>>>>>>>>>>> Shoring up our economy and putting it back on
>>>>>>>> the right track. So health
>>>>>>>>>>> care reform... and reducing
>>>>>>>> taxes... and reining in spending has got to
>>>>>>>>>>> accompany tax
>>>>>>>> reductions... and tax relief for Americas... And trade...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> we've got to see trade... mmm... as opportunity... mmm... not
>>>>> as a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> competitive scary thing. But 1 in 5 jobs being created in
>>>>> the trade
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> sector
>>>>>>>>>>> today. We've got to look at that as
>>>>>>>> more opportunity... All those things
>>>>>>>>>>> under the umbrella of
>>>>>>>> job creation. This bailout is a part of that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> COURIC: Are you pulling a Palin?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PALIN: Yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Pulling a Palin 10 up, 2 down
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Pulling a Palin is the act of being chosen for the
>>>>>>>> Republican party Vice
>>>>>>>>>>> President while knowing that your 17
>>>>>>>> year old daughter is pregnant. This
>>>>>>>>>>> adds a lot of controversy
>>>>>>>> to the election as the family values and
>>>>>>>>>>> truthiness of Palin
>>>>>>>> are scrutinized.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nick is Pulling a Palin by
>>>>>>>> entering that marathon with his    heart
>>>>>>>>>>> condition.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In light of . . .
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.moscowcares.com/070609_06_DowntownParking.htm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We must now ask ourselves seriously, Visionaires . .
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Is our City Council pulling a
>>>>>>>> Palin?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>>>>>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the
>>>>>>>> Optimist expects it to
>>>>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>> Realist adjusts his sails."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>> Unknown
>>>>>>>>>>>
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