[Vision2020] An open letter to Moscow city council
Shelley Roderick
cjsnightclub at cableone.net
Wed Jul 15 21:16:59 PDT 2009
OK everybody........... The Rodericks are not bringing into play the issue
of veteran status. Don't know where that came from. Maybe from the email
signed W????
The Rodericks
-------Original Message-------
From: Sue Hovey
Date: 7/15/2009 6:41:43 PM
To: bear at moscow.com; Tom Hansen
Cc: Shelley Roderick; v2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An open letter to Moscow city council
Then I owe Tom an apology. And I do apologize, Tom. When I read the
emails, I did not see the W below the message and simply inferred it was
Tom's response. It was to you, Bear, I should have sent my reply. And so
I do that now. You tie legitimacy to make a decision to "give up rights" as
valid only if the policy maker has fought for those rights as a military
veteran. The Roderick email certainly sends the same message. If a
person is not supposed to draw that inference then I see no reason for
either you or the Rodericks to bring into play the issue of veteran status.
Sue
----- Original Message -----
From: <bear at moscow.com>
To: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>
Cc: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>; "Shelley Roderick"
<cjsnightclub at cableone.net>; "v2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An open letter to Moscow city council
>
> Sue,
>
> Tom wasn't the one who asked about the veteran status of the current
> council, I did, and Dan Carscallen answered me and said that 2 of the
> current members are and that he's not one of the two. Wayne Krauss is one
> of the two and lists it on his bio on the Moscow City Council site.
>
> And the reason I asked was to see if those so willing to give up rights
> and make the rules ever had to defend them. I think that it amazing that
> while I could get a cup of coffee and have a cigarette in Bosnia,
> Bulgaria, Estonia, Poland, Romania, Albania and several other countries, I
> soon may not be able to in my own home town.
>
> Wayne
>
>
>
>
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>> Are you saying that one has to be a veteran to make solid decisions? Or
>> if
>> one is not a veteran and makes a decision with which you do not agree,
>> their
>> decision is somehow less than valid because of their lack of veteran
>> status?
>>
>> Sue H.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>> To: "Shelley Roderick" <cjsnightclub at cableone.net>
>> Cc: "v2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 3:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An open letter to Moscow city council
>>
>>
>> Just a simple question that deserves a simple, yet civil, answer like
>> "yes" or "no".
>>
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>>
>>> Tom - Why don't you call them and ask?
>>>
>>> For those of you that wish to contact Moscow city council via email,
>>> here
>>> is
>>> how you can email all council members directly with only one email.
>>>
>>> 1) Go to: www.moscow.id.us/
>>> 2) Click on the blue "council" tab.
>>> 3) Click on "meet the council."
>>> 4) Click on "Email all council members" at the bottom of the page.
>>> 5) To be valid, include your full name and address for the record.
>>>
>>>
>>> -------Original Message-------
>>>
>>> From: Tom Hansen
>>> Date: 7/14/2009 3:02:03 PM
>>> To: bear at moscow.com
>>> Cc: v2020
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An open letter to Moscow city council
>>>
>>> Was this email really sent to the city council?
>>>
>>> The only address on it is Vision 2020.
>>>
>>> Tom Hansen
>>> Moscoa, Idaho
>>>
>>>> Visionaries,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I agree with Phil's letter below, and am hoping the listees can give me
>>>> some information in regards to it.
>>>>
>>>> How many members of the current administration are veterans?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> W
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>>> ----------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> ATTENTION: YOU ARE ENTERING A SMOKE FILLED ENVIRONMENT AND WILL BE
>>>>> SUBJECT
>>>>> TO SECOND HAND SMOKE! ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK! THIS ESTABLISHMENT COULD
>>>>> BE
>>>>> HAZARDOUS TO YOUR HEALTH!
>>>>>
>>>>> Twenty generations have sacrificed loved ones to fight for the
>>>>> freedoms
>>>>> for
>>>>> which we are able to enjoy today. It is very sad to me when a small
>>>>> handful
>>>>> of people representing our city can take the blood that was shed and
>>>>> ignore
>>>>> the sacrifices made to insure our right to, "life, liberty and
>>>>> happiness."
>>>>>
>>>>> I have flown an American flag on my building since I bought it because
>>>>> I
>>>>> respect the blood, sweat and tears that allow me to do so. The city
>>>>> council
>>>>> should also respect and honor the same.
>>>>>
>>>>> The city should agree with the Federal Government that when a person
>>>>> turns
>>>>> the age of 21, they have a mental capacity to make sound decisions and
>>>>> will
>>>>> be held responsible for those decisions in a court of law. This
>>>>> includes
>>>>> their health. The city should not impose their "personal guidance" to
>>>>> those
>>>>> who have just obtained the privilege of choice. They do not need to
>>>>> baby
>>>>> sit
>>>>> However, they should be babysitting where smoking is allowed. Where
>>>>> children walk our sidewalks and play in city parks.
>>>>>
>>>>> In regards to "employee health," No one is forced to work in a smoked
>>>>> filled
>>>>> environment. They came looking for a job. If they find it is not for
>>>>> them,
>>>>> they have the right of freedom to work elsewhere. The customer has a
>>>>> right
>>>>> to walk in my doors, or not. They even have the right to leave once
>>>>> inside.
>>>>> Liberty of choice and free will granted to us from the blood of our
>>>>> forefathers.
>>>>>
>>>>> The first thing I see when I walk into city hall is a United States
>>>>> flag.
>>>>> The last thing I see when I leave city hall is a United States flag.
>>>>> Let's
>>>>> not loose what that flag stands for.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the city agrees to this smoking ban I would like to suggest they
>>>>> also
>>>>> consider an ordinance stopping the farmers from farming as it blows
>>>>> dust
>>>>> that I breathe that causes my asthma to flare up. Talk about a health
>>>>> issue!
>>>>> How about bringing it up to vote when approximately 60% of Moscow's
>>>>> citizens
>>>>> are back in town? Let the citizens of Moscow decide. Give them the
>>>>> opportunity to voice an opinion on their own freedoms and liberties.
>>>>> Let
>>>>> the
>>>>> majority decide. Not a handful.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1/3 of the bars in Moscow are non-smoking by choice. The city should
>>>>> not
>>>>> interfere with the liberties of other bars and private clubs.
>>>>>
>>>>> You ask why other bar owners are not speaking up? How about listening
>>>>> to
>>>>> the
>>>>> ones that are. I believe in fighting for the rights and liberties of
>>>>> my
>>>>> 24
>>>>> employees and thousands of customers that choose to walk through my
>>>>> doors.
>>>>> They count on me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Parks, who introduced this ordinance states, "it is a work place,
>>>>> health issue. The only place we allow really dangerous things is in
>>>>> second
>>>>> hand smoke." Well, how about coal mines? Gas refineries? Plastic
>>>>> manufacturers? Paint fumes? As I understand, his company manufactures
>>>>> and
>>>>> builds thing in Mexico. He pays his workers in pesos. Why isn't Moscow
>>>>> good
>>>>> enough for him to employ and manufacture his wares here? Could it be
>>>>> government enforced workman's comp? Minimum wage? Social Security
>>>>> taxes?
>>>>> Not
>>>>> to forget the OSHA laws which are not enforced in Mexico? Why Bill
>>>>> Parks
>>>>> do
>>>>> you choose to have your companies in Mexico? I can tell you why I
>>>>> choose
>>>>> to
>>>>> have mine in Moscow, Idaho.
>>>>>
>>>>> The chains of slavery on business were cut in 1776. Let's not put them
>>>>> back
>>>>> on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let freedom ring.
>>>>>
>>>>> Phil Roderick
>>>>>
>>>>> cjs at turbonet
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>>>>> mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to
>>> change
>>> and the Realist adjusts his sails."
>>>
>>> - Unknown
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to
>> change
>> and the Realist adjusts his sails."
>>
>> - Unknown
>>
>>
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