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[Glenn Schwaller]

Paul - thanks for your comments.  And no, I don't think anyone wants
to go through another round of irrational fear, and I certainly don't
believe the intent of the interview was to promote anything that would
initiate that fear.  Granted, it would have been better had Mr Scheuer
used something different to illustrate our "sheepleness" and
unwillingness to garner the strength it would take to remake this a
government of, by, and for the people (please note Mr Chasuk - of, by,
and for the people).

You state  "We're turning into a nation of cowards, and it depresses
me.  Our response to 9/11 should have been reasonable security
enhancements instead of the "security theater" that we have now."  The
events of 9/11 temporarily strengthened  the US backbone, but
unfortunately we allowed our President and Congress to lull us back
into cowardism.

I believe that was the point Mr Scheuer was trying to make.

As for MT's comment that "Al Gore should have been declared the winner
of the presidential election of November 2000, since "the majority of
the populace" had determined that action." (geeze have you NOT been
able to get over that yet??)

As with AGW, it's still debatable, but unlike AGW is it now a moot
point.  With regard to democracy I said "In it's purest form”  and
obviously our government runs no where near a democracy.  To my
understanding, there is no constitutional basis for a popular vote for
the president.  The electoral college system was set up by the
Founding Fathers, who in their wisdom chose NOT to have Congress
determine our president, nor were they too hot on the idea of the
people doing it either.  Certainly not democratic in its purest form.

GS

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:05 AM, Paul Rumelhart<godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Glenn Schwaller wrote:
>>
>> And yes, I too would encourage others to listen to the interview in
>> its entirety (including YOU Mr Moscow Tom) and determine for
>> themselves the point Mr Scheuer was making.  In doing so I think
>> anyone, even the ‘ignorant”, will realize this was strictly a
>> metaphorical comment:  We as Americans have become much too complacent
>> in letting the government dictate to us what is in the best interest
>> of our own lives, liberty, and security.
>>
>> So complacent that it would take a major catastrophe to force voters
>> back to a mind set in which they, the voters, would dictate to those
>> in office how best to serve their needs.
>>
>
> You say that like it's a bad thing.  I would rather not go through another
> round of irrational public fear, thank you very much.  We still have
> ridiculous screening happening at airports, where these geniuses at first
> wouldn't let a Congressional Medal of Honor winner take his medal on a plane
> because it was "pointy".
> We're turning into a nation of cowards, and it depresses me.  Our response
> to 9/11 should have been reasonable security enhancements instead of the
> "security theater" that we have now.  Terrorists set out to cause fear - the
> actual damage they do is just icing on the cake.  If you're not susceptible
> to scare tactics, their actual power lessens dramatically.
>
> In my opinion, our President took advantage of the common man's fear of
> another attack to start a war in Iraq we should never have been involved in,
> for what I believe to be personal reasons.  I don't know about you, but it
> pisses me off when something like that happens.
>
> Paul
>
>