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I was never in the Boy Scouts. I was raised to far away from civilization for that. However I did spend practically all of my time outside. I think that the Boy Scots is a good organization and my son was in it. I don't care whether they are secular or non secular. I believe that as a private organization they have the right to set what ever requirements that they want. People that do not like it do not have to join. It is wrong for the government to try and impose rules on them.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:38:42 -0800
To: Chasuk chasuk at gmail.com,  Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: [Spam 5.86] BE OUTSIDE!

> Joe,
>  
> I think too, that the Scouts are in general a great learning tool for many young men. I also agree that teaching young men to discriminate by banning youths that may be gay or questioning their sexuality is wrong. I think they need to not be an organization about sex or sexual orientation, and instead be an organization that focuses on nature and community service, as they have always been. 
>  
> I was a scout for about two years. I didn't like it as much as Indian Guides. I thought Indian Guides was less formal and more creative. The problem was there was not enough kids to form a decent group in local enough area, so I moved in the Boy Scouts. It was fun, but too formal, in my opinion.  
>  
> Best Regards,
>  
> Donovan
>  
> Best Regards,
>  
> Donovan
> 
> --- On Thu, 1/29/09, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: [Spam 5.86] BE OUTSIDE!
> To: "Chasuk" <chasuk at gmail.com>
> Cc: "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 2:34 PM
> 
> I don't want get controversial but the anti-gay comments have hurt,  
> too. I was a scout. And odidnt mind the uniforms! Both my dad and  
> brother were eagle scouts.
> 
> Joe Campbell
> 
> On Jan 29, 2009, at 1:44 PM, Chasuk <chasuk at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 12:52, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I really like what the CiNN network is all about-getting kids into
> >> nature.  But, speaking as a former professional Scout coordinator, it
> >> seems a bit redundant.  We've had Girl and Boy Scouts for almost
> 100
> >> years doing just this.  The program is in place, the support network
> >> has already been built, 100s of thousands of kids are participating
> >> with the assistance of numerous volunteers, and many great camps
> >> exist.  Why not support and grow what we already have?
> >
> > When I was a kid, my parents tried to involve me in Scouts many times,
> > but I hated it.  I disliked then, and I dislike now, anything
> > resembling merit badges.  If something is worth doing, it is worth
> > doing for itself, and the ribbons and medals are condescending.
> > Further, most of the merit-badge-earning activities I found pointless
> > and tedious.
> >
> > I dislike that the Boy Scouts are not entirely secular, although the
> > Girl Scouts gets this right.  I also think that the uniforms should
> > go.  I know a couple of Boy Scouts, and they all look embarrassed by
> > the uniforms.
> >
> > Anyway, those are my objections to Scouting.  Your mileage may vary
> > (and probably will).
> 
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