[Vision2020] PR - Citizen Sidewalk Maintenance
Joe Campbell
philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Thu Jan 22 06:33:28 PST 2009
I think I've responded to the first point. Your second point strikes
me as false.
Joe Campbell
On Jan 21, 2009, at 9:52 PM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> wrote:
> Joe,
>
> You are begging the question. It is a discriminatory law. You are
> defending it.
>
> The idea of the young volunteers won't work because of lawyers. If a
> sidewalk is not shoveled properly, they can be sued by the person
> that slips.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Donovan
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] PR - Citizen Sidewalk Maintenance
> To: "donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "v2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 9:22 PM
>
> The law requires property owners to take responsibility for their
> property. Nothing more. I don't find that objectionable. And if I
> suggested the "solution" you note below, you, Roger, and Crabtree
> would have called me a socialist!
>
> Not that I have a problem with it. Why don't you try to do something
> about it, see if you can get the proper laws passed, the taxes
> raised? I'm pretty sure I couldn't get it done for the reason noted
> above! You seem to be able to get away with more so give it a go!
>
> Until then why not see if we can get Tom's idea going, of setting up
> a group of young folks who can volunteer to remove snow for people
> in need? What ever happened to that idea?
>
> That's enough posts for tonight, folks! See you tomorrow!
>
> Joe Campbell
>
> On Jan 21, 2009, at 8:50 PM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Joe,
>>
>> It is unfortunate that you support a discriminatory law that
>> requires persons of age and those with a disability to remove snow
>> for the city. This is backasswards, it should be the city that
>> removes the snow for its senior citizens and persons with a
>> disability.
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Donovan
>>
>>
>> --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
>> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] PR - Citizen Sidewalk Maintenance
>> To: "donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: "v2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 8:18 PM
>>
>> If they own a house they should have $5 to hire someone to shovel
>> the sidewalk. If they are not property owners it is not their
>> responsibility as far as I can tell from the document below.
>>
>> It strikes me that your worry is purely hypothetical. If there
>> really are folks who fall into some worrisome category - unable to
>> walk homeowners who don't even have money to hire a kid to shovel -
>> then give me their phone number and I'll make arrangements to do it
>> myself. Like it or not it is their responsibility to take care of
>> it. And they should do so.
>>
>> I should add too that below is merely the notice of an existing
>> law. I see no evidence that the law will be enforced any more than
>> it has been.
>>
>> Joe Campbell
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Joe writes:
>>>
>>> "The city requires you to remove the snow not to shovel it
>>> yourself!"
>>> Semantics?
>>>
>>> And if they don't shovel the snow, or have the extra cash to spare
>>> after every single snow fall, Joe, how do you propose they remove
>>> it?
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Donovan
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] PR - Citizen Sidewalk Maintenance
>>> To: "donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>>> Cc: "v2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>, "Stephanie Kalasz" <skalasz at ci.moscow.id.us
>>> >
>>> Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 7:04 PM
>>>
>>> The city requires you to remove the snow not to shovel it yourself!
>>>
>>> Joe Campbell
>>>
>>> On Jan 21, 2009, at 6:16 PM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> And if you have a disability that prevents you from shoveling the
>>>> city property next to your property, too bad, the city council
>>>> still requires you to get out in your wheelchair and shovel
>>>> away. The shovel police are coming to a sidewalk near you!
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Donovan
>>>>
>>>> --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Stephanie Kalasz <skalasz at ci.moscow.id.us>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> From: Stephanie Kalasz <skalasz at ci.moscow.id.us>
>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] PR - Citizen Sidewalk Maintenance
>>>> To: "v2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>> Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 3:17 PM
>>>>
>>>> Press Release – Citizen Sidewalk Maintenance
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To: Interested Media
>>>> From: Gary J. Riedner, City Supervisor
>>>> 206 E. 3rd St. , Moscow , Idaho 83843
>>>> Telephone: (208) 883-7006; Fax: (208) 883-7018
>>>> E-mail: griedner at ci.moscow.id.us
>>>> c: Mayor, City Council, All City Users
>>>> Re: City of Moscow Press Release
>>>> Date: January 21, 2009
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Citizen Sidewalk Maintenance
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Moscow, Idaho, January 21, 2009 –As the forecast is calling fo
>>>> r snow this coming weekend, January 24 and 25, the City of Mos
>>>> cow would like to remind residents that under Moscow City ordi
>>>> nance, it is the responsibility of the adjacent property owner
>>>> to keep sidewalks clear of snow and debris.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Specifically the Moscow City Code - Title 5 Public Ways and
>>>> Property states:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sec. 9-3 Owner to Remove - It shall be the duty of every owner of
>>>> any land, building, or lot within the City to remove snow and/or
>>>> ice from adjacent sidewalks to permit the safe pedestrian passage
>>>> upon said sidewalks bordering said property and to abate the
>>>> nuisance set forth in this Chapter. This duty applies to natural
>>>> snowfall; it does not extend to snow displaced onto sidewalks by
>>>> City snowplows after an owner has removed natural snowfall.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For more information please contact the Public Works Department
>>>> at 208-883-7034.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ###
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jen Pfiffner
>>>>
>>>> City of Moscow
>>>>
>>>> Assistant to the City Supervisor
>>>>
>>>> 206 E Third Street
>>>>
>>>> Moscow, ID 83843
>>>>
>>>> (208) 883-7123
>>>>
>>>>
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