[Vision2020] Family-Friendly Activities (was U of I Program Cuts)

Thu Jan 15 18:05:51 PST 2009

Lets see here Darell,

You attack me, and call me negative.

I suggest positive changes we should make to Moscow to keep families and students happy, that they have suggested to me, and you dog on me. 

I have lived in eight cities in Idaho, and eight other cities around the country ranging in size from a few hundred to over a million, I am fourth generation resident of Moscow, but according to you I haven't lived in enough cities or know Moscow well enough?

Humm, what is the definition of irony again?

If I am negative, it must be because of the negativity I get from  certain people on this forum, because I certainly don't carry it in my home, work, or in person. 

Best Regards,

Donovan

--- On Thu, 1/15/09, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Family-Friendly Activities (was U of I Program Cuts)
To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Cc: "Jennifer Ingalls" <jennifer at inlandradio.com>, "vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 3:38 PM

A couple of answers below:

2009/1/15 Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>:
> Darrell,
>
> You obviously don't know me well if you don't know I have lived in
> many cities, half in Idaho.

Obviously I don't know you well.  Judging by the negative attitude you
portray on this listserv, I think I like it that way.  I will point
out that having lived in many cities, half in Idaho, is not a terribly
wide breadth of experience.

I am pointing out why students don't stay in
> Moscow. Obviously, the people that stay in Moscow find it to their perfect
> likely.
>
> But the issue is, if you want people to come here, UI and the city to do
> well, I would focus on the positive things you can do to improve that
> situation. Not make excuses as why we cannot, or shouldn't do anything
to
> help other people out.

Focus on the positive things to improve is what I like to see, also.
All I ever seem to see from you is the opposite.

>
> Best Regards,
>
> Donovan
>
> --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Family-Friendly Activities (was U of I Program
> Cuts)
> To: "Jennifer Ingalls" <jennifer at inlandradio.com>
> Cc: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, "vision 2020"
<vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 11:19 AM
>
> Donovan:
> Have you ever lived anywhere outside of Moscow?  Especially in a
> similarly sized community?  I have, several different places in fact,
> and I'm willing to bet you have not.  For the size town it is, Moscow
> has an impressive list of things for families to do.  And, despite
> your incessant carping, a decent range of salaries, too.  The key is
> that you have to compare apples to apples.
> Instead of listing what you think the town doesn't have, maybe you
> should try being positive for a change.  Perhaps the listserv will
> help you come up with a list of things to do in town.  I'll start:
> Great restaurants
> Nice parks
> Several art galleries
> What can you add, V2020?
>> From: Donovan Arnold [mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:30 AM
>> To: 'vision 2020'; Jennifer Ingalls
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Family-Friendly Activities (was U of I
Program
>> Cuts)
>>
>>
>>
>> Jennifer,
>>
>>
>>
>> I liked doing all those things too as a child in Moscow. But lets face
it,
>> there is only so some many times you can visit the McConnell Mansion
> before
>> it no longer entertaining to a child. And camping doesn't count
> because you
>> have to leave Moscow to go do it.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you are an outdoors type of person, there are lots of things to do
in
>> North Idaho. But for many people that are not, it leaves something to
be
>> desired.
>>
>>
>>
>> One of the biggest complaints I heard from students was that there was
>> nothing to do in Moscow, and why so many people supported the Student
>> Recreation Building, which is more like a glorified and over priced
Idaho
>> Athletic Club with a climbing wall then a recreation center for
different
>> kinds of recreational activities.
>>
>>
>>
>> I do not think I have found a mother at UI that thought Moscow's
> daycare was
>> inexpensive. There is a huge waiting list too.
>>
>>
>>
>> What few things there are to do in Moscow, also cost a lot of money,
which
>> is hard to afford when you have no money, because there are no jobs
that
> pay
>> above what you need to scrape by.
>>
>>
>>
>> There is less to do in Moscow now then was when my Mother was child in
>> Moscow.
>>
>>
>>
>> We have no bowling alley. We have no roller skating ring. We have no
IMax
>> Theater. We have fewer quality restaurants. We have no high tech
gaming
>> center. We have no science discovery park, we have no big museums. No
race
>> cars. No theme parks, no big fancy hangouts, we don't even really
have
> a
>> year round swimming pool,
>>
>>
>>
>> The best thing Moscow has for entertainment is the Library. Which is a
> great
>> library, but hardly the place that comes to mind when we want to think
> about
>> entertainment.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, you can always THINK of something to do in Moscow, but that is
the
>> problem, you really have to THINK, to find something to do. Its
Midnight
> in
>> Moscow, besides the bars and the Jack N the Crack drive-thru, what is
> open?
>>
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Donovan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Jennifer Ingalls <jennifer at inlandradio.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> From: Jennifer Ingalls <jennifer at inlandradio.com>
>> Subject: [Vision2020] Family-Friendly Activities (was U of I Program
Cuts)
>> To: "'vision 2020'" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 1:27 PM
>>
>> I don't necessarily want to get into the argument about diversity
in
> Moscow
>> or at UI, but I do take some issue with Donovan's statement,
"Not
> to mention
>> the lack of affordable child care, or family fun activities."
>>
>>
>>
>> I grew up in Moscow and though my family had more money than families
> where
>> a student is the primary financier of the household, we were not at a
loss
>> for family-friendly free activities (unless we were willfully bored).
This
>> is not to say that we can't do better as a community at providing
free
>> and/or inexpensive activities, but I think many of us forget those
things
>> that are available to us. For example, I –regretfully—cannot
remember
> the
>> last time I went to the McConnell Mansion or picked up a walking tour
> guide
>> of the towns history and hoofed it through Fort Russell (two
activities
> that
>> occupied Spring and Summer days of my youth). The library (which I
> remember
>> as only being the old part of the building) was cool in the Summer and
> warm
>> in the Winter. Organizations like Campfire, Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts
and
>> local churches provided the three of us a lot of fun and educational
>> activities (both our family's church of choice and the churches or
> religious
>> organizations of friends). My mom used to take us to Good Sam to
> distribute
>> our wares after craft days at the house. We'd ride bikes out to
> Robinson
>> Lake Park , "fish" in Hordeman's pond, or take advantage
of
> all the
>> demonstrations, concerts and educational lectures the University
offered.
>> There were a lot of things to do!
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll grant that I was a nerdy kid (still am). I, too, would love
to
> see more
>> activities available after school that would appeal to "at
risk"
> youth (I AM
>> doing something about that with my involvement in Latah County Youth
>> Advocacy Council), but I don't think can jump on board with the
whole
>> "there's nothing to do here" claim.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jennifer L. Ingalls
>>
>>
>>
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