[Vision2020] U of I Program Cuts
Tom Hansen
thansen at moscow.com
Tue Jan 13 13:39:43 PST 2009
I remember an old saying that came out of the late 60s . . .
"Black is beautiful. Tan is grand.
But white is the color of the boss man."
My faith in the American people will be restored, at least a little, at
8:00 AM next Tuesday morning.
Barack the House, Moscow!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNle_402RY0
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
> A comment on Roger's last sentence:
>
> "What I dont' care for is promoting diversity just for the sake of
Diversity
> when it comes to employment or student enrollment. These area should be
> blind to race, religion, sex, sexual orientation or any other condition.
> Merit is what should rule here."
> ****************************
> True, but doesn't happen even now. Remember the old tag, "what we want
is
> the best man for the job," and "white" was simply an assumption that
didn't
> have to be stated. Times are better, sure, and maybe someday we won't
need
> those diversity offices and the legal protection, but we're not there
yet.
>
> I think white men don't necessarily understand this bias until it hits
some
> female in their own family. Some years ago our daughter, who was
healthy,
> strong, a student at the U of I, and an EMT decided she would like to be
a
> firefighter in Moscow so she applied. The firefighters took a vote,
turned
> her down and told her they weren't going to take women. and because they
> were a volunteer, unpaid organization they felt secure in their
blackballing
> of her petition. Fortunately Dee Hager was mayor and the U of I had a
> contract with the city for fire potection. My husband, who had been
> ignoring my ranting for a number of years, was furious. He called the
> mayor, threatened a suit, and lo and behold they took another vote and
> reluctantly (and that was obvious) invited her to join. Laurie
basically
> said, "screw you" and turned them down--much to their relief, I'm sure.
>
> There continues to be truth in the civil rights slogan: "We ain't yet
where
> we ought to be, but, Thank God, we ain't still where we were."
>
> SueH
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> To: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] U of I Program Cuts
>
>
> > This has been done before and probably should be done again.I don't
think
> > that will be enough to solve the problem. There are administrators we
> > could do with out. There should be only one Human Rights
Administrator,
> > with and assistant and a secretary. I don't know abut other colleges
but
> > the Agricultural College has a development administrator. Why have the
> > duplication. One should be enough. The Ombudsman position should be
> > eliminated. They only run interference for the University and do not
> > really help anyone. This should be handled by and outside impartial
party.
> > There are undoubtedly other administrators that can be cut. I would
not
> > like to see programs cut unless very few are interested in them. There
> > should be diversity in programs. Staff people to do the work are more
> > important than high priced administrators. Preventative Maintenance is
> > also important. Deferring things to later only makes matters worse.
> > Getting back to Mo and human diversity- Being familiar with
international
> > cuisine and culture enriches all of us. When by daughter was at LCSC
she
> > belonged to the International Club. They had an anual dinner with
foods
> > from around the world and international entertainment featuring the
> > various cultures. All of this was great. I particular liked the
students
> > from Nepal. What I dont' care for is promoting diversity just for the
sake
> > of Diversity when it comes to employment or student enrollment. These
area
> > should be blind to race, religion, sex, sexual orientation or any
other
> > condition. Merit is what should rule here.
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: Paul Rumelhart godshatter at yahoo.com
> > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:22:10 -0800
> > To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] U of I Program Cuts
> >
> >> I'd like to see a furlough implemented, myself. I say that knowing
that
> >> I'm one of the people that would have to do a lot of the work with
> >> implementing it because I'm the programmer for the Payroll system.
Just
> >> close the University down one day a month for x number months, or let
> >> the employees individually choose which days to take off without pay.
> >> We'd have to have a lower salary limit under which employees would not
> >> have to go on furlough, or make it voluntary. I'd rather lose a few
> >> days of pay than have the specter of layoffs hanging over my head, or
> >> something else just as drastic.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >> lfalen wrote:
> >> > Mo
> >> > I agree that most of the pay cuts should me with administrators.
Also
> >> > it would take 3 or 4 staff people to equal what you would save with
> >> > letting one administrator go and I believe you could do without
them
> >> > easier than most staff people.
> >> > I am not opposed to diversity. I think that it is great, but I
don't
> >> > think that we need the whole west side of ( I think the second
flour)
> >> > of the Commons devoted to diversity and human relations. It is fine
to
> >> > have diversity, but the emphasis should be on merit.
> >> > Roger
> >> > -----Original message-----
> >> > From: Mo Hendrickson hend5953 at vandals.uidaho.edu
> >> > Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 14:28:24 -0800
> >> > To: lfalen at turbonet.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] U of I Program Cuts
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Roger-
> >> >>
> >> >> A couple of comments and questions regarding you program
cuts.First,
> >> >> you write, "To help save some programs and jobs. everyone should
take
> >> >> a 5 to 10% pay cut. Less money is better than no money." I am
glad to
> >> >> hear that you are in a financial postion to take that kind of cut.
> >> >> There are many of us working for the University that could not
manage
> >> >> that cut. I currently work in an IH position and have not had any
pay
> >> >> increase in the three years in that position. So sure ask the
> >> >> administration to take reductions, but the folks down on the
bottom of
> >> >> the pay chain can't handle that kind of reduction.
> >> >>
> >> >> I also question your statement, "I don't think the University
needs
> >> >> that many people in development or diversity at this point." I am
> >> >> guessing that your view on diverity is based on an older model of
> >> >> diversity, that it is about skin color and gender. In my point of
> >> >> view, diversity is more than tracking how many people of color we
have
> >> >> on campus, it is more than the number of women we have in the
> >> >> classrooms, diversity includes all of us, it is religion, it is
> >> >> gender, it is white men over 40, it is women in their 20's,
> >> >> understanding diversity is key in creating an environment in which
> >> >> students, staff, and faculty thrive. We should be investing in
> >> >> diversity not cutting it. That doesn't mean throwing money at it
and
> >> >> giving it lip service, but really assessing the incredible
resources
> >> >> we have on campus and finding ways to use them to bring in more
> >> >> students, to attract the best and brightest scholars. I don't
want UI
> >> >> to become a homogenized unit, with everyone looking, t!
> > hin!
> >> >>
> >> > king and
> >> > acting the same, there is no life in that.
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> I would also argue that this university if understaffed in terms
of
> >> >> diversity programming not over staffed. We are currently have two
key
> >> >> diversity positions on campus that are vacant and those vacancy
are
> >> >> being felt. So please tell me why you think we need less people
in
> >> >> diversity.
> >> >>
> >> >> -Mo Hendrickson
> >> >> A proud advocate for diversity> >
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