[Vision2020] U of I Program Cuts
Sue Hovey
suehovey at moscow.com
Tue Jan 13 13:25:13 PST 2009
A comment on Roger's last sentence:
"What I dont' care for is promoting diversity just for the sake of Diversity
when it comes to employment or student enrollment. These area should be
blind to race, religion, sex, sexual orientation or any other condition.
Merit is what should rule here."
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True, but doesn't happen even now. Remember the old tag, "what we want is
the best man for the job," and "white" was simply an assumption that didn't
have to be stated. Times are better, sure, and maybe someday we won't need
those diversity offices and the legal protection, but we're not there yet.
I think white men don't necessarily understand this bias until it hits some
female in their own family. Some years ago our daughter, who was healthy,
strong, a student at the U of I, and an EMT decided she would like to be a
firefighter in Moscow so she applied. The firefighters took a vote, turned
her down and told her they weren't going to take women. and because they
were a volunteer, unpaid organization they felt secure in their blackballing
of her petition. Fortunately Dee Hager was mayor and the U of I had a
contract with the city for fire potection. My husband, who had been
ignoring my ranting for a number of years, was furious. He called the
mayor, threatened a suit, and lo and behold they took another vote and
reluctantly (and that was obvious) invited her to join. Laurie basically
said, "screw you" and turned them down--much to their relief, I'm sure.
There continues to be truth in the civil rights slogan: "We ain't yet where
we ought to be, but, Thank God, we ain't still where we were."
SueH
----- Original Message -----
From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
To: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] U of I Program Cuts
> This has been done before and probably should be done again.I don't think
> that will be enough to solve the problem. There are administrators we
> could do with out. There should be only one Human Rights Administrator,
> with and assistant and a secretary. I don't know abut other colleges but
> the Agricultural College has a development administrator. Why have the
> duplication. One should be enough. The Ombudsman position should be
> eliminated. They only run interference for the University and do not
> really help anyone. This should be handled by and outside impartial party.
> There are undoubtedly other administrators that can be cut. I would not
> like to see programs cut unless very few are interested in them. There
> should be diversity in programs. Staff people to do the work are more
> important than high priced administrators. Preventative Maintenance is
> also important. Deferring things to later only makes matters worse.
> Getting back to Mo and human diversity- Being familiar with international
> cuisine and culture enriches all of us. When by daughter was at LCSC she
> belonged to the International Club. They had an anual dinner with foods
> from around the world and international entertainment featuring the
> various cultures. All of this was great. I particular liked the students
> from Nepal. What I dont' care for is promoting diversity just for the sake
> of Diversity when it comes to employment or student enrollment. These area
> should be blind to race, religion, sex, sexual orientation or any other
> condition. Merit is what should rule here.
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: Paul Rumelhart godshatter at yahoo.com
> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:22:10 -0800
> To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] U of I Program Cuts
>
>> I'd like to see a furlough implemented, myself. I say that knowing that
>> I'm one of the people that would have to do a lot of the work with
>> implementing it because I'm the programmer for the Payroll system. Just
>> close the University down one day a month for x number months, or let
>> the employees individually choose which days to take off without pay.
>> We'd have to have a lower salary limit under which employees would not
>> have to go on furlough, or make it voluntary. I'd rather lose a few
>> days of pay than have the specter of layoffs hanging over my head, or
>> something else just as drastic.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> lfalen wrote:
>> > Mo
>> > I agree that most of the pay cuts should me with administrators. Also
>> > it would take 3 or 4 staff people to equal what you would save with
>> > letting one administrator go and I believe you could do without them
>> > easier than most staff people.
>> > I am not opposed to diversity. I think that it is great, but I don't
>> > think that we need the whole west side of ( I think the second flour)
>> > of the Commons devoted to diversity and human relations. It is fine to
>> > have diversity, but the emphasis should be on merit.
>> > Roger
>> > -----Original message-----
>> > From: Mo Hendrickson hend5953 at vandals.uidaho.edu
>> > Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 14:28:24 -0800
>> > To: lfalen at turbonet.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] U of I Program Cuts
>> >
>> >
>> >> Roger-
>> >>
>> >> A couple of comments and questions regarding you program cuts.First,
>> >> you write, "To help save some programs and jobs. everyone should take
>> >> a 5 to 10% pay cut. Less money is better than no money." I am glad to
>> >> hear that you are in a financial postion to take that kind of cut.
>> >> There are many of us working for the University that could not manage
>> >> that cut. I currently work in an IH position and have not had any pay
>> >> increase in the three years in that position. So sure ask the
>> >> administration to take reductions, but the folks down on the bottom of
>> >> the pay chain can't handle that kind of reduction.
>> >>
>> >> I also question your statement, "I don't think the University needs
>> >> that many people in development or diversity at this point." I am
>> >> guessing that your view on diverity is based on an older model of
>> >> diversity, that it is about skin color and gender. In my point of
>> >> view, diversity is more than tracking how many people of color we have
>> >> on campus, it is more than the number of women we have in the
>> >> classrooms, diversity includes all of us, it is religion, it is
>> >> gender, it is white men over 40, it is women in their 20's,
>> >> understanding diversity is key in creating an environment in which
>> >> students, staff, and faculty thrive. We should be investing in
>> >> diversity not cutting it. That doesn't mean throwing money at it and
>> >> giving it lip service, but really assessing the incredible resources
>> >> we have on campus and finding ways to use them to bring in more
>> >> students, to attract the best and brightest scholars. I don't want UI
>> >> to become a homogenized unit, with everyone looking, t!
> hin!
>> >>
>> > king and
>> > acting the same, there is no life in that.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I would also argue that this university if understaffed in terms of
>> >> diversity programming not over staffed. We are currently have two key
>> >> diversity positions on campus that are vacant and those vacancy are
>> >> being felt. So please tell me why you think we need less people in
>> >> diversity.
>> >>
>> >> -Mo Hendrickson
>> >> A proud advocate for diversity> >
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