[Vision2020] Snow problems

Bev Bafus bevbafus at verizon.net
Sat Jan 10 15:25:05 PST 2009 

I suppose we could.  I'm not sure what good it would do.

In February 08 I asked the council whose responsibility the new sidewalks on
South 95 were.  These sidewalks were installed as part of a major road
widening and improvement.

After that council meeting, the City started plowing those sidewalks, and
kept them clean the rest of the winter.

Needless to say, nothing has been done this year.

Hmmm....

Bev

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Hansen [mailto:thansen at moscow.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 3:12 PM
To: bevbafus at verizon.net; donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com;
sslund_2007 at verizon.net; vision2020 at moscow.com; thansen at moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Snow problems


Memories . . .

It is February 4, 2008 and YOU ARE THERE . . .

http://www.moscowcares.com/Pub_Commentary_Snow_Removal_020408.htm

Suggestion, Bev:  Care to present this video at the next city council
sesison?

Hmmm.

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho


> Thanks, Tom for taking the time to take these pictures, and posting them.
>
> Donovan, I do not want to get into an argument.  I'll just say this one
more
> time.  Both of these areas have sidewalks, and are not served by regular
> public transit.  People have to WALK IN THE HIGHWAY to get anywhere.
This
> is the MAJOR state highway, and a MAJOR route for chip trucks, who do not
> follow speed limits.
>
> And, I'm not talking about older people who are not shoveling their
> sidewalks.  Almost exclusively, these sidewalks border BUSINESS property.
>
> The people who clear the highway haven't done such a great bang up job
> either.  Until yesterday, it was still one lane north on 95 from Palouse
> River Drive.
>
> Thanks
> Bev
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Donovan Arnold [mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com]
>   Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 1:50 PM
>   To: sslund_2007 at verizon.net; bevbafus at verizon.net;
vision2020 at moscow.com;
> Tom Hansen
>   Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Snow problems
>
>
>         Looks good to me. Thanks to all the Highway people for clearing
the
> area.
>
>         Best Regards,
>
>         Donovan
>
>         --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>
>           From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
>           Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Snow problems
>           To: sslund_2007 at verizon.net, bevbafus at verizon.net,
> donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>           Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 12:48 PM
>
>
> Ladies and Gentlemen, of the Viz -
>
> Your attention is invited to:
>
> http://www.MoscowCares.com/011009
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> > Donovan's attitude is symptomatic of the problem.  Other places manage
> to
> > appropriately handle the situation, so I honestly don't know
> what's wrong
> > with people here that we can't.  There are still FAR TOO MANY
> SIDEWALKS
> that
> > are covered in compact ice that hasn't melted.  This is DAYS after the
>
> last
> > snow.  Bev, I agree with you about the problem areas you specified, but
> > there are other areas just as problematic forcing pedestrians to take
> their
> > lives into their hands either by walking in already too narrow streets
or
> > trying to negotiate icy sidewalks.
> >
> >
> >
> > Yesterday I saw an older gentleman carrying what looked like grocery
bags
> > trying to maintain his footing on icy sidewalks in the A Street area -
he
> > caught my eye so then I looked at the sidewalks he was heading towards
> and
> > saw that stretches were just plain treacherous.  Kids were out playing
in
> > that specific neighborhood so people are in town, yet many of the
> sidewalks
> > were in deplorably icy conditions.  I saw the same thing in other parts
> of
> > town, including the central business district Thursday night.  Many, if
> not
> > most, sidewalks downtown and in residential districts have been
> > appropriately shoveled throughout the tough conditions, which makes it
> all
> > the more obvious that some people just don't give a rip.
> >
> >
> >
> > And, to the 20-something dude with his friends helping him carry his
> brand
> > new big screen TV into the house while the sidewalk in front of his
house
> > has consistently been one of the worst I've seen, SHAME ON YOU!!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Saundra Lund
> >
> > Moscow, ID
> >
> >
> >
> > The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to
do
> > nothing.
> >
> > ~ Edmund Burke
> >
> >
> >
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> plus
> > 70 years, Saundra Lund.  Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce
> outside
> > the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the
> > author.*****
> >
> >
> >
> > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-
> bounces at moscow.com]
> > On Behalf Of Bev Bafus
> > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 8:54 AM
> > To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> > Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Snow problems
> >
> >
> >
> > Donovan, I'm not talking about just any sidewalk, or snow in general.
>
> I'm
> > talking about two specific areas that are an extreme danger zone.
> >
> >
> >
> > There is no public transit in these areas.  There are people who have
to
> > walk.  They have boots.  They are walking, sometimes in a foot of
slush.
> > But why should they have to walk in the same lane as speeding chip
trucks
> > because adjacent landowners are too lazy to clean their sidewalks?
> >
> >
> >
> > One of these landowners IS the City of Moscow.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Bev
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Donovan Arnold [mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:57 PM
> > To: blambert at ci.moscow.id.us; dcarscallen at ci.moscow.id.us;
> > jweber at moscow.com; tlamar at moscow.com; wmsteed at aol.com;
> > wkrauss at ci.moscow.id.us; nchaney at ci.moscow.id.us; Bev Bafus
> > Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Snow problems
> >
> >
> > I don't mean to sound insensitive;
> >
> >
> >
> > But this is Idaho. It snows. It snows a lot. If snow is such a burden
for
> > people that they feel a need to sue people over not being available
24/7
> to
> > remove it from every inch of city property that within 50 ft of them,
> they
> > should consider a move South.
> >
> >
> >
> > People, it snows, don't like it, complain to God. If someone, or a
> business
> > is being really neglectful in snow and ice removal, ask them nicely to
> fix
> > it, if they don't, write a letter to the editor to complain.
> >
> >
> >
> > Except for disabled parking in government and private businesses,
people
> > should just realize it snows, and if you are unsure footed like me, you
> are
> > probably going to fall. It is just the way it is, please stop with
> endless
> > complaining about snow in Idaho in the winter, it is just a fact of
life,
> > love your neighbor, it isn't his/her fault, and let us move on.
> >
> >
> >
> > Go buy a pair of boots with good traction, or stay home.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Donovan
> >
> > --- On Fri, 1/9/09, Bev Bafus <bevbafus at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > From: Bev Bafus <bevbafus at verizon.net>
> > Subject: [Vision2020] Snow problems
> > To: blambert at ci.moscow.id.us, dcarscallen at ci.moscow.id.us,
> > jweber at moscow.com, tlamar at moscow.com, wmsteed at aol.com,
> > wkrauss at ci.moscow.id.us, nchaney at ci.moscow.id.us
> > Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 12:49 PM
> >
> > Now that we have a break in the weather, would it be possible for there
> to
> > be some sort of effort to clean the sidewalks lining Highway 95 north
of
> > Rosauer's and south of A & W?  People are still walking in the
> highway.
> >
> > There is also snow blocking parts or all of lanes in this area.
> >
> > Combine the blocked lanes with lack of sidewalks, people walking in the
> > highway and heavy truck traffic, and you have a recipe for a major
> disaster.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Bev Bafus
> >
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