[Vision2020] Snow problems

Sat Jan 10 15:12:11 PST 2009

Memories . . .

It is February 4, 2008 and YOU ARE THERE . . .

http://www.moscowcares.com/Pub_Commentary_Snow_Removal_020408.htm

Suggestion, Bev:  Care to present this video at the next city council 
sesison?

Hmmm.

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

> Thanks, Tom for taking the time to take these pictures, and posting them.
> 
> Donovan, I do not want to get into an argument.  I'll just say this one 
more
> time.  Both of these areas have sidewalks, and are not served by regular
> public transit.  People have to WALK IN THE HIGHWAY to get anywhere.  
This
> is the MAJOR state highway, and a MAJOR route for chip trucks, who do not
> follow speed limits.
> 
> And, I'm not talking about older people who are not shoveling their
> sidewalks.  Almost exclusively, these sidewalks border BUSINESS property.
> 
> The people who clear the highway haven't done such a great bang up job
> either.  Until yesterday, it was still one lane north on 95 from Palouse
> River Drive.
> 
> Thanks
> Bev
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Donovan Arnold [mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com]
>   Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 1:50 PM
>   To: sslund_2007 at verizon.net; bevbafus at verizon.net; 
vision2020 at moscow.com;
> Tom Hansen
>   Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Snow problems
> 
> 
>         Looks good to me. Thanks to all the Highway people for clearing 
the
> area.
> 
>         Best Regards,
> 
>         Donovan
> 
>         --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
> 
>           From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
>           Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Snow problems
>           To: sslund_2007 at verizon.net, bevbafus at verizon.net,
> donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>           Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 12:48 PM
> 
> 
> Ladies and Gentlemen, of the Viz -
> 
> Your attention is invited to:
> 
> http://www.MoscowCares.com/011009
> 
> Seeya round town, Moscow.
> 
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
> 
> > Donovan's attitude is symptomatic of the problem.  Other places manage
> to
> > appropriately handle the situation, so I honestly don't know
> what's wrong
> > with people here that we can't.  There are still FAR TOO MANY
> SIDEWALKS
> that
> > are covered in compact ice that hasn't melted.  This is DAYS after the
> 
> last
> > snow.  Bev, I agree with you about the problem areas you specified, but
> > there are other areas just as problematic forcing pedestrians to take
> their
> > lives into their hands either by walking in already too narrow streets 
or
> > trying to negotiate icy sidewalks.
> >
> >
> >
> > Yesterday I saw an older gentleman carrying what looked like grocery 
bags
> > trying to maintain his footing on icy sidewalks in the A Street area - 
he
> > caught my eye so then I looked at the sidewalks he was heading towards
> and
> > saw that stretches were just plain treacherous.  Kids were out playing 
in
> > that specific neighborhood so people are in town, yet many of the
> sidewalks
> > were in deplorably icy conditions.  I saw the same thing in other parts
> of
> > town, including the central business district Thursday night.  Many, if
> not
> > most, sidewalks downtown and in residential districts have been
> > appropriately shoveled throughout the tough conditions, which makes it
> all
> > the more obvious that some people just don't give a rip.
> >
> >
> >
> > And, to the 20-something dude with his friends helping him carry his
> brand
> > new big screen TV into the house while the sidewalk in front of his 
house
> > has consistently been one of the worst I've seen, SHAME ON YOU!!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Saundra Lund
> >
> > Moscow, ID
> >
> >
> >
> > The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to 
do
> > nothing.
> >
> > ~ Edmund Burke
> >
> >
> >
> > ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2008 through life
> plus
> > 70 years, Saundra Lund.  Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce
> outside
> > the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the
> > author.*****
> >
> >
> >
> > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-
> bounces at moscow.com]
> > On Behalf Of Bev Bafus
> > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 8:54 AM
> > To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> > Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Snow problems
> >
> >
> >
> > Donovan, I'm not talking about just any sidewalk, or snow in general.
> 
> I'm
> > talking about two specific areas that are an extreme danger zone.
> >
> >
> >
> > There is no public transit in these areas.  There are people who have 
to
> > walk.  They have boots.  They are walking, sometimes in a foot of 
slush.
> > But why should they have to walk in the same lane as speeding chip 
trucks
> > because adjacent landowners are too lazy to clean their sidewalks?
> >
> >
> >
> > One of these landowners IS the City of Moscow.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Bev
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Donovan Arnold [mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:57 PM
> > To: blambert at ci.moscow.id.us; dcarscallen at ci.moscow.id.us;
> > jweber at moscow.com; tlamar at moscow.com; wmsteed at aol.com;
> > wkrauss at ci.moscow.id.us; nchaney at ci.moscow.id.us; Bev Bafus
> > Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Snow problems
> >
> >
> > I don't mean to sound insensitive;
> >
> >
> >
> > But this is Idaho. It snows. It snows a lot. If snow is such a burden 
for
> > people that they feel a need to sue people over not being available 
24/7
> to
> > remove it from every inch of city property that within 50 ft of them,
> they
> > should consider a move South.
> >
> >
> >
> > People, it snows, don't like it, complain to God. If someone, or a
> business
> > is being really neglectful in snow and ice removal, ask them nicely to
> fix
> > it, if they don't, write a letter to the editor to complain.
> >
> >
> >
> > Except for disabled parking in government and private businesses, 
people
> > should just realize it snows, and if you are unsure footed like me, you
> are
> > probably going to fall. It is just the way it is, please stop with
> endless
> > complaining about snow in Idaho in the winter, it is just a fact of 
life,
> > love your neighbor, it isn't his/her fault, and let us move on.
> >
> >
> >
> > Go buy a pair of boots with good traction, or stay home.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Donovan
> >
> > --- On Fri, 1/9/09, Bev Bafus <bevbafus at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > From: Bev Bafus <bevbafus at verizon.net>
> > Subject: [Vision2020] Snow problems
> > To: blambert at ci.moscow.id.us, dcarscallen at ci.moscow.id.us,
> > jweber at moscow.com, tlamar at moscow.com, wmsteed at aol.com,
> > wkrauss at ci.moscow.id.us, nchaney at ci.moscow.id.us
> > Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 12:49 PM
> >
> > Now that we have a break in the weather, would it be possible for there
> to
> > be some sort of effort to clean the sidewalks lining Highway 95 north 
of
> > Rosauer's and south of A & W?  People are still walking in the
> highway.
> >
> > There is also snow blocking parts or all of lanes in this area.
> >
> > Combine the blocked lanes with lack of sidewalks, people walking in the
> > highway and heavy truck traffic, and you have a recipe for a major
> disaster.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Bev Bafus
> >
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