[Vision2020] Humane Interrogations Work

[lfalen]

Chas
Your present logical reasons for being pro-choice. Arguing at what point life begins is a valid view. Conception is closer to set demarcation point, even though that to can be variable, as Nick pointed out. Using religion or legality is not valid. Nick has used these arguments. You can justify anything with some religious view. In Germany under the Nazis it was legal to kill Jews. For my self, I think both Pro-choice and Pro-life take it to the exstemes.
On the death penalty, in my view the execution of innocent people is the only vaild argument against it.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: Chasuk chasuk at gmail.com
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:14:09 -0800
To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Humane Interrogations Work

> On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 11:25, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> 
> > As for your moral superiority tone, I don't think the mental gymnastics you go through to justify the murder of the unborn, helps your virtue.
> 
> Statements like this always puzzle me.  Do you really believe that
> pro-choice advocates sit up at night devising justifications for the
> slaughter of babies?  We are, or have been, the proud fathers,
> mothers, grandfathers, and grandmothers of babies.  We are, or have
> been, the doting uncles and aunts of babies.  If this isn't true
> today, it will be in the future, for most of us.
> 
> Speaking for myself, it is a matter of not attributing human
> characteristics to non-human creatures, and an embryo or a fetus isn't
> a human being, but a human animal at a stage of development somewhere
> between implantation and birth.  Fertilization transforms the joined
> ovum and sperm into a zygote, not, magically, into a miniature person.
> 
> if I believed that embryos or fetuses were miniature people, I would
> be shouting, "Embryos and fetuses are people!"  -- with a nod to
> Robert Thorn/Charlton Heston.
> 
> I do marvel at the mental gymnastics performed by most conservatives.
> They lament the termination of embryos/fetuses, but they embrace
> capital punishment, knowing that sometimes innocent men and women are
> being murdered -- creating widows, widowers, the fatherless, the
> motherless, and orphans -- because apparently this sort of collateral
> damage is acceptable.
> 
> Conservatives have funny ideas about virtue.
> 
> Chas