[Vision2020] Humane interrogations work

[Ralph Nielsen]

Sorry, Gary, creating martyrs doesn't work. Many years ago the  
Christian church declared, "The blood of the martyrs is the seed of  
the Church."

Some years later, in  680 C.E., Husayn ibn Ali, the grandson of the  
Prophet, and a small group of family members and followers were  
defeated and beheaded by a much larger army. Ever since then their  
martyrdom has been commemorated by millions of Muslims. Before he was  
slain, the martyr Husayn declared, "The believer should desire to  
meet his Lord while he is right. Thus I do not see death but as  
happiness, and living with tyrants but as sorrow."

Gary, you've got to think of something better than just killing people.

Ralph


  g. crabtree wrote:

> I don't know about Roger but I'm A-OK with dead terrorists. It  
> certainly is a deterrent for the individual terrorist in question  
> and as to their becoming one more martyr, who cares? It's not as  
> though the lack would result in any reduction in anti American/ 
> western violence. After all, Who was Bin Laden avenging? What about  
> Mohamed Atta, Marwan Al-Shehhi, Fayez Ahmed, Mohald Alshehri, Hamza  
> Alghamdi and Ahmed Alghamdi, Waleed M Alshehri, Wail Alshehri,  
> Abdulaziz Alomari, Satam Al Suqami, Khalid Al-Midhar, Majed Moqed,  
> Nawaq Alhamzi, Salem Alhamzi, Hani Hanjour, Ahmed Alhaznawi, Ahmed  
> Alnami, Ziad Jarrahi and Saeed Alghamdi? There is no question but  
> what were we to cease bringing terrorists down to room temperature  
> the violence would still go on and on and on.
>
> g
>
>
>> Roger,
>>
>> Maybe you don't like torturing people. But why do you deliberately
>> want to kill people? They don't do things like that in civilized
>> countries. It doesn't work as a deterrent and, as I have already
>> pointed out, it only makes martyrs out of them. I repeat: Whose side
>> are you on?
>>
>> Ralph
>>
>>
>>> Ralph
>>> That ia a ludicrous statement. If you have read my posts it should
>>> be clear that I do not like torture. Whether he thinks he would be
>>> a martyr or not is irrelevant. To my mind he would not be a martyr,
>>> just a fanatic who got what was coming to him.
>>> Roger
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nick
>>>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>> Khalid Scheiikh Mohammed is a fanatic and it is doubtful you could
>>>> appeal to his good side. He wants to executed so he can be a  
>>>> martyr.
>>>> I would grant his wish. It is to be expected that you will get a  
>>>> lot
>>>> of misinformation and this should be taked into account.
>>>>
>>>> Roger
>>>>
>>>> Roger, I get the impression that you really enjoy torturing and
>>>> killing people. Why should we make a martyr out of anyone, least of
>>>> all of a fanatic? Whose side are you on?
>>>>
>>>> Ralph
>>>>
>>
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