[Vision2020] Sen Schroeder

Thu Feb 19 18:08:16 PST 2009

My fellow Moscovites,

Did you ever notice, that no matter what the project, what the job, what the industry, or where the location, it is the same people coming up with a reason to knock it down before it even has a chance to stand and be heard?

It will cost us water.
It will pollute the air.
It will increase traffic.
It will be unsafe.
It will be ugly.
It will cause Bob and Frank to lose their job.
We really don't need it. 
Not next to my house
It smells
It doesn't match
Its immoral
It will compete with existing businesses
It isn't taxed enough
It is taxed to much
It isn't far enough from the street
Urban Sprawl
It pays too much
It pays too little
It doesn't employ the right people
I won't use it, so don't let it in. 
The company did something bad.
It is put in the wrong place
It is the wrong size or shape
There isn't enough parking
There is too much parking
It doesn't have enough grass
It doesn't cater to Moscow's interests
Nobody in Moscow will shop there

I am sure we have heard more. And so they wonder why rent is $1200 a month in Moscow and $700 a month in the Treasure Valley, and they wonder why businesses only pay $6.15 an hour instead of $8.25 an hour like everyone else. It is because Moscow is extremely anti-business, and the only way they think of justifying it is they look to Pullman. They fail to comprehend that Lewiston and Spokane are taking millions of local dollars away because they want to live in an agrarian society with no services or industry except wheat and an increasingly irrelevant liberal arts university with a declining base and population. 

Maybe when and if they lose their jobs, they might rethink what types of jobs and industry they are willing to accept. But until then, all businesses are good, except the ones they find flawed, which is all of them because there are no such thing as perfect jobs and perfect industries. 

Best Regards,

Donovan

--- On Thu, 2/19/09, Saundra Lund <sslund_2007 at verizon.net> wrote:
From: Saundra Lund <sslund_2007 at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sen Schroeder
To: "'Ellen Roskovich'" <gussie443 at hotmail.com>, "'Andy Boyd'" <moscowrecycling at turbonet.com>, vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 1:23 PM

Andy
& Ellen are both right on.  And, it’s not just Moscow that has
more than a few empty retail spaces – Pullman has them, too. 

It’s
amazing to me that folks want to think a potential Hawkins Mall is such a good
thing all the while b*tching about the costs of goods here (after all, that’s
why they advocated for Super SprawlMarts here and in Pullman).  The sales
tax right across the state line is higher than in Moscow, which would leave
less money in my pocket.  Other costs that will be passed onto consumers
include but are not limited to Washington’s higher minimum wage and the “premium”
cost for the water we’ll be selling them if Steed, Krauss, Weber,
Carscallan, and Schroeder have their way. 

The
end result will be that after driving local Moscow businesses into the ground,
our local shopping options will be even more limited and more expensive. 
Penny wise and pound foolish is what my granddaddy would have called it. 

Personally,
if Hawkins wants to follow the “if we build it, they will come”
attitude, they’re free to waste their money, but I’d encourage the
rest of us to remember that the corridor isn’t Hollywood.  I’m
pleased as punch that the blight of  dark stores will be on the other side
of the state line, and I seriously think that those who think the Hawkins Mall
will be a destination to draw people from out of the area to shop here should
get their heads examined.  Remember, when trying to attract new businesses
to an area, they look at things like how much business failure there’s
been in an area, and no matter how I crunch things, I see the Hawkins
development as planned as a loser.  Further, as we all should know, this
area has only limited retail dollars for each of us to spend, and by in any way
facilitating a development across state lines that will pull those dollars away
from Moscow and from Idaho is cutting off our noses to spite our faces. 

And,
when Moscow doesn’t make the money off this dirty deal some think we can
make but have pushed their own personal agendas to open the Pandora’s Box
of selling water across state lines, we’ll remember who was behind this
ill-conceived scheme. 

Frankly,
it’s absolutely mind-boggling to me why our so-called leaders would want any
piece of a bad pie.  If those on the other side of the state line want to
see the corridor disappear into buildings & such, there’s not much we
can do about it except demand that they put the infrastructure burden of their
own backs.  But, to want Moscow to make money by selling water across the
state line is just plain wrong, IMHO. 

And,
if they’re willing to try to get a piece of this bad pie to try to make
money, where will they stop???  What deal would be too stinky for them to
try to take advantage – personal or otherwise – of??? 

Saundra Lund 

Moscow, ID 

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good
people to do nothing. 

~ Edmund Burke 

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through life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund.  Do not copy, forward, excerpt,
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From:
vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On
Behalf Of Ellen Roskovich

Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:20 AM

To: Andy Boyd; vision2020 at moscow.com

Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sen Schroeder 

Andy. . . . I, for one, don't think you've
missed a thing.  You've lived here for your entire life, and you have a
pretty good grasp on the situation.  We share some of the same concerns
and have similar questions because we've been observing the same things over a
period of time. 

Ellen A. Roskovich

> From: moscowrecycling at turbonet.com

> To: vision2020 at moscow.com

> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:12:47 -0800

> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sen Schroeder

> 

> Maybe I am missing something? It seems to me that the Palouse Empire Mall 

> (really a food court with a mall rather than a mall with a food court) has

> not been full for over 15 years. How will a new mall fill its empty shops 

> when the current mall can't? Also, the rodeo mall on N. Main only has two 

> tennants and 3-4 empty shops. Seems to me we can't fill the open spaces we

> currently have. Is this not a problem?

> Andy Boyd

> ----- Original Message ----- 

> From: "Garrett Clevenger" <garrettmc at verizon.net>

> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>

> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:51 PM

> Subject: [Vision2020] Sen Schroeder

> 

> 

> > As a farmer, it saddens me to know some think it's acceptable to use
water 

> > and farmland to build an unneeded $100 million mega-mall, one
designed to 

> > compete with Moscow. Thinking we'll be wasting water on the very
symbol of 

> > why America is losing power, instead of using it to grow food, makes
me 

> > understand why we just let the 21st century robber barons swindle our

> > coffers with the the greatest and most costly scam ever.

> >

> > You may think it's ok to let these same people profit from a crucial 

> > natural resource, but that does nothing to ensure water, and food,
are 

> > affordable, safe, and readily accessible to us.

> >

> > Perhaps in 2020 people will love Hawkins, but I have my suspicion 

> > economies are going to be radically changed, and priorities about
what is 

> > important will lean more toward appreciation of conservation.
Limiting use 

> > of water for commercial develop, to insure cheap water is available
for 

> > everyone else, seems like wise planning to me...

> >

> > Garrett Clevenger

> >

> >

> >

> > Donovan Arnold writes Sun Feb 15 20:58:12 PST 2009:

> >

> >

> > You know, you people that think we should cut off the spigot to our 

> > neighbors and to other states that we depend upon for other reasons,
does 

> > nothing, because the Federal Courts will not allow the State of Idaho
deny 

> > other states in the Union water unless we can prove we would die if
we 

> > shared it, or we are not being paid a fair price.

> >

> > You also know that Native Americans still own a lot of the water you
are 

> > drinking in Idaho, and if Idaho can shut down Washington's water
supply, 

> > Natives can certainly shut down yours too. So be careful what powers
you 

> > wish local governments to have.

> >

> > Everyone has a right to water if it is available. When we make water
less 

> > affordable, it is really the farmers and the poor, who are mostly 

> > children, elderly, and disabled, that suffer, not the asshole
politicians 

> > that play games with natural resources. You didn't do anything to
bring or 

> > produce the water in Idaho. So don't be telling others they are not 

> > entitled to have water.

> >

> > Best Regards,

> >

> > Donovan

> >

> >

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