[Vision2020] Sen Schroeder

Thu Feb 19 13:23:16 PST 2009

Andy & Ellen are both right on.  And, it's not just Moscow that has more
than a few empty retail spaces - Pullman has them, too.

It's amazing to me that folks want to think a potential Hawkins Mall is such
a good thing all the while b*tching about the costs of goods here (after
all, that's why they advocated for Super SprawlMarts here and in Pullman).
The sales tax right across the state line is higher than in Moscow, which
would leave less money in my pocket.  Other costs that will be passed onto
consumers include but are not limited to Washington's higher minimum wage
and the "premium" cost for the water we'll be selling them if Steed, Krauss,
Weber, Carscallan, and Schroeder have their way.

The end result will be that after driving local Moscow businesses into the
ground, our local shopping options will be even more limited and more
expensive.  Penny wise and pound foolish is what my granddaddy would have
called it.

Personally, if Hawkins wants to follow the "if we build it, they will come"
attitude, they're free to waste their money, but I'd encourage the rest of
us to remember that the corridor isn't Hollywood.  I'm pleased as punch that
the blight of  dark stores will be on the other side of the state line, and
I seriously think that those who think the Hawkins Mall will be a
destination to draw people from out of the area to shop here should get
their heads examined.  Remember, when trying to attract new businesses to an
area, they look at things like how much business failure there's been in an
area, and no matter how I crunch things, I see the Hawkins development as
planned as a loser.  Further, as we all should know, this area has only
limited retail dollars for each of us to spend, and by in any way
facilitating a development across state lines that will pull those dollars
away from Moscow and from Idaho is cutting off our noses to spite our faces.

And, when Moscow doesn't make the money off this dirty deal some think we
can make but have pushed their own personal agendas to open the Pandora's
Box of selling water across state lines, we'll remember who was behind this
ill-conceived scheme.

Frankly, it's absolutely mind-boggling to me why our so-called leaders would
want any piece of a bad pie.  If those on the other side of the state line
want to see the corridor disappear into buildings & such, there's not much
we can do about it except demand that they put the infrastructure burden of
their own backs.  But, to want Moscow to make money by selling water across
the state line is just plain wrong, IMHO.

And, if they're willing to try to get a piece of this bad pie to try to make
money, where will they stop???  What deal would be too stinky for them to
try to take advantage - personal or otherwise - of???

Saundra Lund

Moscow, ID

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nothing.

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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Ellen Roskovich
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:20 AM
To: Andy Boyd; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sen Schroeder

Andy. . . . I, for one, don't think you've missed a thing.  You've lived
here for your entire life, and you have a pretty good grasp on the
situation.  We share some of the same concerns and have similar questions
because we've been observing the same things over a period of time. 

Ellen A. Roskovich

> From: moscowrecycling at turbonet.com
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:12:47 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sen Schroeder
> 
> Maybe I am missing something? It seems to me that the Palouse Empire Mall 
> (really a food court with a mall rather than a mall with a food court) has

> not been full for over 15 years. How will a new mall fill its empty shops 
> when the current mall can't? Also, the rodeo mall on N. Main only has two 
> tennants and 3-4 empty shops. Seems to me we can't fill the open spaces we

> currently have. Is this not a problem?
> Andy Boyd
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Garrett Clevenger" <garrettmc at verizon.net>
> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:51 PM
> Subject: [Vision2020] Sen Schroeder
> 
> 
> > As a farmer, it saddens me to know some think it's acceptable to use
water 
> > and farmland to build an unneeded $100 million mega-mall, one designed
to 
> > compete with Moscow. Thinking we'll be wasting water on the very symbol
of 
> > why America is losing power, instead of using it to grow food, makes me 
> > understand why we just let the 21st century robber barons swindle our 
> > coffers with the the greatest and most costly scam ever.
> >
> > You may think it's ok to let these same people profit from a crucial 
> > natural resource, but that does nothing to ensure water, and food, are 
> > affordable, safe, and readily accessible to us.
> >
> > Perhaps in 2020 people will love Hawkins, but I have my suspicion 
> > economies are going to be radically changed, and priorities about what
is 
> > important will lean more toward appreciation of conservation. Limiting
use 
> > of water for commercial develop, to insure cheap water is available for 
> > everyone else, seems like wise planning to me...
> >
> > Garrett Clevenger
> >
> >
> >
> > Donovan Arnold writes Sun Feb 15 20:58:12 PST 2009:
> >
> >
> > You know, you people that think we should cut off the spigot to our 
> > neighbors and to other states that we depend upon for other reasons,
does 
> > nothing, because the Federal Courts will not allow the State of Idaho
deny 
> > other states in the Union water unless we can prove we would die if we 
> > shared it, or we are not being paid a fair price.
> >
> > You also know that Native Americans still own a lot of the water you are

> > drinking in Idaho, and if Idaho can shut down Washington's water supply,

> > Natives can certainly shut down yours too. So be careful what powers you

> > wish local governments to have.
> >
> > Everyone has a right to water if it is available. When we make water
less 
> > affordable, it is really the farmers and the poor, who are mostly 
> > children, elderly, and disabled, that suffer, not the asshole
politicians 
> > that play games with natural resources. You didn't do anything to bring
or 
> > produce the water in Idaho. So don't be telling others they are not 
> > entitled to have water.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Donovan
> >
> >
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