[Vision2020] A Paradox

[lfalen]

You are totally naive if you think that no one voted for him for that reason. It is of course not the only reason. I do not think that very many of the hard core left would vote for Thomas Sowell. My point was that Obama's election was a great historic event and should be celebrated in that context, but that context only.

Roger
-----Original message-----
From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:57:36 -0800
To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Paradox

> You don't read your own posts or mine well either. First, you failed  
> to mention Bush in your original post, so my assumptions are not  
> unwarranted. Second, I never said Bush was the only problem.
> 
> Also, who besides you is talking about skin color? The implication of  
> your post was that some people voted for Obama because he was black. I  
> find no other sensible connection to the subject of race. That is  
> offensive to him, to blacks, to me, and to anyone else who voted for  
> him.
> 
> Aren't you telling me and other Obama voters that we're impressed by  
> Obama because he's black, that that is the main reason we voted for  
> him? If not, what are you saying? Maybe you should figure that out  
> before you put up another post.
> 
> Joe Campbell
> 
> On Feb 12, 2009, at 11:09 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> 
> > Joe
> > You don't read very well. I never said that Bush did not deserve  
> > some of the blame. He does. The problem with you is you want to put  
> > it all on him, which is not the case. In actual fact he did bring up  
> > the problems with Freddie and Fannie in 2003 and was rebuffed. He  
> > should not have let up on it and he should never have done the  
> > rebates or promoted the bailouts. Obama is not to blame as  
> > president, but he does share some of the blame because of his  
> > association with ACORN. He will to be blame for the prolonged  
> > recovery. You put all of the blame on Bush. There is no way to  
> > verify it one way or the other, but I am convinced that we would be  
> > in much greater trouble today if either Gore or Kerry had won. I did  
> > not support Bush on a lot of things but he was better that the  
> > alternative.
> > My point was that skin color should not have anything to do with it  
> > and that it should be dropped, but in this election it was a major  
> > concederation and is part of the reason Obama receives  such  
> > adulation. It should not have had any baring on it.
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:40:20 -0800
> > To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Paradox
> >
> >> We just finished eight years of one of the worst two term  
> >> presidencies
> >> in US history. This man started a war for no damn reason that we as
> >> still stuck it, ran up the deficit (which Clinton got down to zero
> >> after it was run up by previous Republican administrations), and left
> >> us in the worst economic situation since the Great Depression. And  
> >> you
> >> see fit to place the blame on a man who has been in office for  
> >> about a
> >> month and any Democrat or liberal you can think of.
> >>
> >> What is wrong with you? For all the talk from conservatives about
> >> personal resonsibility I see little of it. If you don't think that
> >> Bush deserves any of the blame for our current economic troubles,  
> >> then
> >> you have a serious problem.
> >>
> >> And what on earth does the color of the president's skin have to do
> >> with any of it? If you want a color free society, then stop talking
> >> about race in discussions where it is totally irrelevant.
> >>
> >> You and others voted for an idiot. Twice. And now were're paying the
> >> price. It is just that simple.
> >>
> >> Joe Campbell
> >>
> >> On Feb 11, 2009, at 11:45 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> People are right to celebrate the election of Obama as a historic
> >>> event. It truly is. It has been along hard struggle to archive the
> >>> equality that is stated in the constitution. A lot of brave men have
> >>> been involved in the struggle. Lincoln, Frederick Douglass, Booker
> >>> T. Washington, Medger Evers, King and may others. Some have given
> >>> their lives. This is a bitter sweet victory, but wont be truly won
> >>> until the color barrier is completely erased. A time when ones color
> >>> is no more of an issue than being Irish or German and race is not
> >>> even mentioned. The tragedy is that Obama's economic views are so
> >>> horribly wrong. What he is doing will prolong the recovery. I will
> >>> be in the poor house before the economy recovers. Already people are
> >>> saying medical care will have to prioritized. An old codger like me
> >>> will be considered to have lived long enough. Any ailment will be
> >>> allowed to run its course.
> >>> Obama blames Bush, talking about the failed polices of the last
> >>> eight years. Bush certainly bares some of the blame. The main cause
> >>> however lays with Acorn, Obama himself, Carter, Franks Dodd and
> >>> Clinton. Franks and Dodd were warned about the problem with Freddie
> >>> and Fannie and said that everything was fine. Dodd and Obama are the
> >>> two largest recipients of contributions from Freddie and Fannie.
> >>> Thes are now the people in charge of fixing the problem. This is
> >>> like putting the fox in charge of the hen house.
> >>> Obama calls for a bipartisan effort to pass his program. If he want
> >>> bipartisan support he first needs to rain in Rham Emanuel. Emanuel
> >>> wamts to take the census away from the Commerce Department and put
> >>> it under his control This is to politicize it. The goal is to ensure
> >>> democratic control forever. Obama is saying to the republicans in
> >>> essence "I want to destroy you and I would like this to be a
> >>> bipartisan effort". The Republicans would have to have a death wish
> >>> to go along with it. totally aside from the harmful effect to the
> >>> country.
> >>> Roger
> >>>
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