[Vision2020] water sale bill

Tom Hansen thansen at moscow.com
Mon Feb 9 11:39:29 PST 2009 

Ellen -

A large percentage of Moscow, as long as I have been here ('92), has 
proven to be "reactive" versus "proactive".

To put it in a phrase . . .

"Bad stuff only happens to other people.  Why should I get involved 
until/unless it happens to me?"

The problem is . . . Bythe time "it happens to me", it's often too late to 
do anything about it.

It reminds me of a cartoon I saw online a long while back.  

It shows to golfers on the green obseving the mushroom cloud of a nuclear 
bomb explode way off in the distance.  One golfer says to the other 
golfer, "Go ahead and finish the hole.  It'll be a couple minutes before 
the shock gets to us."

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho



> 
> Hmmmm. . . .hate to be the bearer of bad news, but. . . . there's a
reall> y good chance that even our home grown "mall rats" will have to 
change
thei> r habits as more national stores lay off employees, close their doors
for>  good all across the country and potential UI students see the family
savin> gs evaporate as dad get's laid off with no health care and no 
pension for
t> hose "Golden Years" we were all promised.
>  
> I get the feeling that either Moscow residents are very sheltered or in
com> plete denial about the state of affairs regarding our present economy.
>  
> It must be the Moscow water....or the Red State Kool Ade you're all
drinkin> g.  Cause I'm down here visiting family in Blue State Oregon where
everyone>  on the block has at least one family member laid off and people 
are
scroun> ging our mill end cut-off pile for something free to keep the 
family warm
f> or one more day.
>  
>  
>  
> Ellen A. Roskovich
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: editor at lataheagle.comTo: gussie443 at hotmail.com;
donovanjarnold2005@> yahoo.com; rhayes at turbonet.com; chasuk at gmail.comCC:
vision2020 at moscow.c> omSubject: Re: [Vision2020] water sale billDate: Mon, 
9 Feb 2009
10:34:03>  -0800
> 
> 
> And in the meantime McMansions, with their attendant high-maintenance,
> water dependent lawns are plopped down all over the place without so much
a> s a peep of opposition.
> I wonder which uses more H2O?
> Looking at it, the mall "may" be a good idea. I'll tell you why:
> Because we have raised a couple of generations of "Mall Rats", a mall
wit> h the shops that today's kids expect may very well be a draw for
prospectiv> e to students to both universities.
> That translates into outside $ flowing into the communities and that is a
g> ood thing.
> 
> 
> 
> From: Ellen Roskovich 
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:44 AM
> To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com ; rhayes at turbonet.com ;
chasuk at gmail.c> om 
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com 
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] water sale bill
> Donovan. . . . You are probably not old enough to remember, but the
"Mosc> ow Mall" was built prior to the Palouse Empire Mall.  The one big 
anchor
wa> s Sears and lots of little outlets that were later duplicated in the
Palous> e Mall.  There simply wasn't enough traffic to justify two Jay 
Jacobs,
tw> o Hallmark shops, two of the same shoe shops. . . . duplication, not
ch> oice was the order of the day.  And at the same time we had a lively
downto> wn with really nice family owned shops with quality merchandise.  I
remembe> r going "downtown" to outfit my oldest daughter for back- to- 
school
clothe> s and supplies. . . .but ten years later, when my youngest was 
ready to
s> tart school, one mall was turning into a ghost town, Main Street had
mo> re services than retail and all the back-to-school sales were at K-Mart
and>  the Palouse Mall. So our "area" is set to get a bigger and badder-
assed
ma> ll than the one we already can't afford to shop in now.  Great timing,
gu> ys.  First off, you didn't learn a thing from the past thirty years
and> , I hate to break the news to y'all, but we're in a recession. 
There's>  absolutely no hope of Home Depot opening up and I wonder if 
Lowes isn't
ha> ving second thoughts.  There will be no Circuit City because they've
alread> y thrown in the towel nationwide.  Across the country Macy's is 
cutting
job> s. . . will Moscow be next?   And once and for all, Donovan, is
doesn't>  matter if our water "tastes bad" or leaves a brown ring in the 
toilet. .
>  . if it's the only water available to us, then we need to know that and
> protect it.  I can't believe that this issue hasn't been studied and
revisi> ted with some conclusion finally available to us.  Communities need
guideli> nes and can't we utilize the brainpower within our community. . . 
namely
th> e University of Idaho?   Also, Donovan, for what it's worth (not
much> , I know, because I'm not an expert) I remember reading somewhere 
that
> our snowfall, rain, etc. contributes very little to recharging the
aqui> fer.  So every year we loose huge amounts of water because we can't 
store
i> t.  Perhaps this is part of the issue that needs to be addressed for the
fu> ture. . . or maybe I'm finally a nutty old lady who can't remember
anything> ..  Ellen A. Roskovich        
> 
> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 00:31:11 -0800From:
donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.comTo:>  rhayes at turbonet.com; chasuk at gmail.comCC: 
vision2020 at moscow.comSubject:
R> e: [Vision2020] water sale bill
> 
> 
> 
> I always thought they built the Moscow Mall just to make the Palouse
Empire>  Mall look better. I think if you fired a cannon through the 
center of the
> Eastside Market Place the ball would kill more people after it crossed 
the
> street into the cemetery.Best Regards,Donovan--- On Sun, 2/8/09,
Chas> uk <chasuk at gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Chasuk <chasuk at gmail.com>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] water sale
billTo:>  "roger hayes" <rhayes at turbonet.com>Cc: vision2020 at moscow.comDate:
Sunday> , February 8, 2009, 3:22 PMI live very near Safeway.  However, it
g> enerally fails me as a grocerystore, as it is too expensive for my
income>  level.  So I travel theextra distance to the
>  much-less-expensive WinCo.I would prefer to buy books locally -- and
somet> imes I do -- but Iusually buy from Amazon.  Why?  Convenience and
affordabi> lity.I love motion pictures.  They are one of the few treats I
allowmyself.>   But do I attend Moscow cinemas?  Of course not.  All 
Moscowcinemas suck
c> ompared to the Village in Pullman.Assuming that this mega-mall opens, I
w> ill likely shop there, as willthe majority of the citizens of Moscow,
a> s they presently shop atWal-Mart, even if they are among the
naysayers.If>  this mega-mall opens, most of its employees will be from 
Moscow. 
Icount>  that as a cash-injection for my community (although 
arguablyoffset by the
> loss of tax revenue).  The water will come from ourshared aquifer.  I
count>  that as a loss if we do nothing but bitch andsulk, but as a gain 
if we
s> hut up and sell them the water.The first question is, why is the Palouse
> Empire
>  Mall so pathetic?Any "real" mall has a food court, which our pathetic
ma> ll lacks. Eventhe CUB at WSU has a passable food court.  Please don't
menti> on theSodexo abomination in the UI Commons.Any "real" mall has a
cineplex> , which our pathetic mall lacks.At least Eastside Marketplace is 
honest
e> nough not to include the word"mall" in its name.The second, and last,
q> uestion is, since the combined populations ofMoscow and Pullman don't
see> m adequate to support the Palouse EmpireMall or Eastside Marketplace,
why>  should this mega-mall
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