[Vision2020] Liberal Agenda?

lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
Wed Dec 2 12:27:55 PST 2009 

Andy
You are being a little ridiculous. You should know what I ment. It is the right t engage in a business of your choosing, To make a profit and to go broke. The government does not need to make a profit and is therefore inefficient. Some regulation is needed, a totally open market with no holds bared would not protect the citizenry  from fraud or other abuses. On the whole though there are to many regulations. In some cases ther should be more. There should be more regulation on truth in advertising in the health food supplement industry. Some Herbal supplements are very helpful, some are worthless and some are down right dangerous.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: "Andy Boyd" moscowrecycling at turbonet.com
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:08:07 -0800
To: "lfalen" lfalen at turbonet.com, "Gier, Nicholas" NGIER at uidaho.edu, "Kenneth Marcy" kmmos1 at verizon.net, vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Liberal Agenda?

> I have yet to see this 'free market" to which you refer.  Might you give an 
> example where markets are free?
> Andy Boyd
> Manager/Education Coordinator
> Moscow Recycling
> 208 882 0590
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> To: "Andy Boyd" <moscowrecycling at turbonet.com>; "Gier, Nicholas" 
> <NGIER at uidaho.edu>; "Kenneth Marcy" <kmmos1 at verizon.net>; 
> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 12:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Liberal Agenda?
> 
> 
> > No. Capitalism as embodied in the free market system allows one to freely 
> > engage in any legal business they see fit. The  role of government should 
> > be see that businesses do not deceive the public or engage in unfair 
> > business practices.
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: "Andy Boyd" moscowrecycling at turbonet.com
> > Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:37:26 -0800
> > To: "lfalen" lfalen at turbonet.com, "Gier, Nicholas" NGIER at uidaho.edu, 
> > "Kenneth Marcy" kmmos1 at verizon.net, vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Liberal Agenda?
> >
> >> Couldn't you argue that capitalism is a form of behavior control, turning 
> >> us
> >> all into good little consumers, all occuring in the last 50 years?
> >> Andy Boyd
> >> Manager/Education Coordinator
> >> Moscow Recycling
> >> 208 882 0590
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> >> To: "Gier, Nicholas" <NGIER at uidaho.edu>; "Kenneth Marcy"
> >> <kmmos1 at verizon.net>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:49 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Liberal Agenda?
> >>
> >>
> >> > Nick
> >> > I think that your definition is correct and would be in line with that 
> >> > of
> >> > John Stuart Mill. To be liberal should mean that one allows for the
> >> > behavior of others to be different from their own, even though they may
> >> > not like it. This is why I use the term leftist to identify those who 
> >> > want
> >> > the state to control of our behavior.  They are anything but liberal, 
> >> > Some
> >> > of those on the far right want to do the same.
> >> > Roger
> >> > -----Original message-----
> >> > From: "Gier, Nicholas" NGIER at uidaho.edu
> >> > Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:10:48 -0800
> >> > To: "Kenneth Marcy" kmmos1 at verizon.net,  vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Liberal Agenda?
> >> >
> >> >> Greetings Visionaries:
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm on a futile crusade to bring everyone back to the original meaning 
> >> >> of
> >> >> the word "liberal," from the Latin word "liberalis," meaning 
> >> >> "pertaining
> >> >> to a free person," the "liberi" as opposed to the "servi," the "serfs"
> >> >> who were not free.
> >> >>
> >> >> The genius of the American and French Revolutions was the declaration
> >> >> that we are all free with inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the
> >> >> pursuit of happiness. The "servi" no longer exist.
> >> >>
> >> >> For more read my column "We Are All Liberals--Well, Almost All."
> >> >> (www.class.uidaho.edu/ngier/liberalism.htm) The exceptions are people
> >> >> such as Doug Wilson and his sordid gang of Paleo-Conservatives.
> >> >>
> >> >> May you all have a very Liberal Thanksgiving,
> >> >>
> >> >> Nick Gier
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com on behalf of Kenneth Marcy
> >> >> Sent: Wed 11/25/2009 9:27 AM
> >> >> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Liberal Agenda?
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tuesday 24 November 2009 18:43:03 John Pool wrote:
> >> >> > I'm confused. Just what *is* a liberal agenda? Is it something that
> >> >> > all liberals have to agree on, or just some? Does it have to be a
> >> >> > majority, or can it be less than that? What happens if a moderate
> >> >> > or centrist seeks the same end? Does that make her/him a liberal
> >> >> > automatically? I'd like some clarification here.
> >> >>
> >> >> When the phrase "liberal agenda" is used, usually it is a pejorative
> >> >> reference by someone talking against whatever is perceived to be
> >> >> undesirable about the matters to which they refer. The phrase has
> >> >> developed into a shorthand ad hominem argument against whatever
> >> >> policy the (conservative) speaker opposes.
> >> >>
> >> >> Liberal is a relative term that needs a reference points in time and
> >> >> place, culture and subject, and policy status quo vis-à-vis someone
> >> >> observing. To use it without such referents may be diversionary and
> >> >> counterproductive toward effective discussion, which may be the
> >> >> desired effect.
> >> >>
> >> >> I suspect actual liberals just dispense with using the term in favor
> >> >> of something more specific, such as legislative agenda or party
> >> >> platform. On the other hand, in the case of Thanksgiving, a well-set
> >> >> table and congenial guests make the agenda and the event the same.
> >> >> Happy Holiday.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Ken
> >> >>
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