[Vision2020] Fw: Fw: Fw: Your wolves at work!
Tom Hansen
thansen at moscow.com
Mon Aug 31 15:39:52 PDT 2009
I believe what Dave is trying to say, Kai, is that there would not be as
BIG a problem if farmers/ranchers were to keep their livestock on the
farm/ranch instead of our forests.
Ya see what I'm sayin'?
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
> Really? There wouldn't be a problem? You mean wolves don't attack domestic
> animals on private land?
>
> Tell that to my in-laws who've had cattle killed by wolves on THEIR OWN
> PROPERTY.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave" <tiedye at turbonet.com>
> To: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Fw: Fw: Your wolves at work!
>
>
> But, what were the cows doing in a forest in the first place? They
> don't belong there, they are the invasive species. If farmers ranched
> cows on ranches instead of in OUR forests there wouldn't be a problem.
>
> Dave
>
>
> lfalen wrote:
>> -----Original message-----
>>
>> From: rafalen rafalen at turbonet.com
>> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:38:17 -0700
>> To: lfalen at turbonet.com
>> Subject: Fw: Fw: Your wolves at work!
>>
>>
>> -----Original message-----
>>
>> From: "Krista Parkins" bkparkins at cpcinternet.com
>> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:50:07 -0700
>> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:
>> Subject: Fw: Your wolves at work!
>>
>> This is a true story! Kris
>>
>> Hey Tony,
>>
>> Don't know if you've seen this.
>>
>> Hope all is well - are you coming up for the big game Thursday night?
>>
>> RH
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I had one heck of an experience this past Friday. I was walking into an
>>
>> area I spotted 5 bulls last weekend when wolves started howling,
>> growling
>>
>> and snarling about 300 yds away in the timber below me. It was just
>> getting
>>
>> light so, I hung out for a while hoping to get a look at the wolves.
>> Nothing
>>
>> appeared so, thinking that there were probably no elk in this spot, I
>> headed
>>
>> back to the truck. I unloaded the ATV and was headed to an area called
>> the
>>
>> "Natural Corral" on Bald Ridge.
>>
>>
>>
>> About ½ mile down the dirt road I came upon a herd of cattle running
>> around
>>
>> in a circle and making all sorts of sounds. The herd parted and 2 wolves
>>
>> popped out to look at me. Just beyond the two was another wolf on the
>>
>> hind end of a cow pulling a chunk of flesh from the cow that was still
>> alive.
>>
>> The two wolves ran to my right and stopped about 50 yds away.
>>
>>
>>
>> The wolf on the cow jumped off and stood on the road. I charged him with
>> the
>>
>> ATV and he ran to my right and stopped 25 yds. away. I had my .44 mag
>> and
>>
>> could have popped him, but knowing the penalty for killing a wolf, I
>> pulled out
>>
>> the camera instead and took a picture of him while he was running away.
>> It's a
>>
>> grueling sight to see an animal being eaten alive.
>>
>>
>>
>> I called 911 to get the local Game Warden, Chris Queen. He called back
>> and
>> was
>>
>> heading to the spot after he finished loading hay. I asked if I should
>> put
>> the cow
>>
>> down since it was still alive. He knew the owner of the herd and said
>> not
>> to finish
>>
>> it since the owner was particular about killing his cattle.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris called Mark Brucino, USF&W biologist that handles wolves and
>> grizzlies in
>>
>> the area. Mark called me back to say he was on the way. I told him that
>> I
>> was
>>
>> heading back out to look for elk and would be back later.
>>
>>
>>
>> The wolves starting to attack the herd again further down the road
>> behind
>> me.
>>
>> I took off down the road, but the wolves were gone. I got back to elk
>> hunting
>>
>> and spotted 3 groups of cows, calves and spike bulls totaling 41. A
>> plane
>> appeared
>>
>> and was flying transect patterns. I knew it must be FWS people. The elk
>> didn't
>>
>> care for the plane and slowly head back into cover. This was not working
>> for elk
>>
>> hunting so I twisted off the hunt and headed back to the truck.
>>
>>
>>
>> At the kill site I met Mark and an agent with USDA Wildlife Services
>> (formerly
>>
>> Animal Damages Board), Monty Nicholson. Mark said they were trying to
>> pick
>> up
>>
>> any signals from collared wolves. None of the wolves I saw had collars.
>> After
>>
>> explaining my account of the situation and a description of the wolves
>> they made
>>
>> a decision to call in a chopper and hunt them down. The chopper came in
>> and
>>
>> Monty jumped in with a 12 gauge and #4 Buckshot, his standard load for
>> killing
>>
>> wolves and coyotes from a chopper.
>>
>>
>>
>> Monty had explained that the area I was in is the border for 3 wolf
>> packs;
>>
>> Sunlight Basin, Absaroka and Clark's Fork. He believes these 3 wolves
>> are
>>
>> lead by a older male wolf that walks with a limp. Because of the injury
>> the
>>
>> older wolf cannot compete with stronger wolves for females and is
>> leading
>>
>> the 3 younger males. The older wolf has a radio collar, however the
>> plane
>>
>> did not pick up the signal.
>>
>>
>>
>> Soon the rancher and trail riders arrived. Mark wrote out a ticket for
>> the
>> rancher
>>
>> to get reimbursed "7 to 1" meaning he will get paid 7 times the cost of
>> the 2 yr.
>>
>> old cow. It is based on the assumption that the cow would be able to
>> produce 7
>>
>> calves during the life span. Of course the money comes from the State
>> even
>> though
>>
>> the Feds brought the wolves into WY and now we have to deal with the
>> mess.
>>
>>
>>
>> What was the cost of this one situation?
>>
>>
>>
>> - Time for 1 DOI FWS biologist
>>
>>
>>
>> - Time for 1 USDA Wildlife Services agent
>>
>>
>>
>> - Time for 1 WY Game Warden
>>
>>
>>
>> - Flight time for 1 surveillance plane
>>
>>
>>
>> - Flight time for 1 chopper
>>
>>
>>
>> - Payment for 1 cow (.85/lb x 1000 lbs x 7 = $5,950)
>>
>>
>>
>> So much for wolf management in WY. I could have helped out for the low,
>> low
>>
>> price of one .44 mag round. At least I could have taken care of ¼ of the
>> pack!
>>
>>
>>
>> Len Fortunato | Account Manager
>>
>> Applied Control Equipment | 2717 Cowgill Rd. | Cody | WY | 82414 | USA
>>
>>
>>
>> ____________________________________________________________
>>
>>
>> Date: 08/28/09 06:26:00
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Subject:
>> Fw: Fw: Your wolves at work!
>> From:
>> rafalen <rafalen at turbonet.com>
>> Date:
>> Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:38:17 -0700
>> To:
>> lfalen at turbonet.com, rowan33 at suddenlink.net, ecfalen at q.com
>>
>> To:
>> lfalen at turbonet.com, rowan33 at suddenlink.net, ecfalen at q.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original message-----
>>
>> From: "Krista Parkins" bkparkins at cpcinternet.com
>> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:50:07 -0700
>> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:
>> Subject: Fw: Your wolves at work!
>>
>> This is a true story! Kris
>>
>> Hey Tony,
>>
>> Don't know if you've seen this.
>>
>> Hope all is well - are you coming up for the big game Thursday night?
>>
>> RH
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I had one heck of an experience this past Friday. I was walking into an
>>
>> area I spotted 5 bulls last weekend when wolves started howling,
>> growling
>>
>> and snarling about 300 yds away in the timber below me. It was just
>> getting
>>
>> light so, I hung out for a while hoping to get a look at the wolves.
>> Nothing
>>
>> appeared so, thinking that there were probably no elk in this spot, I
>> headed
>>
>> back to the truck. I unloaded the ATV and was headed to an area called
>> the
>>
>> "Natural Corral" on Bald Ridge.
>>
>>
>>
>> About ½ mile down the dirt road I came upon a herd of cattle running
>> around
>>
>> in a circle and making all sorts of sounds. The herd parted and 2 wolves
>>
>> popped out to look at me. Just beyond the two was another wolf on the
>>
>> hind end of a cow pulling a chunk of flesh from the cow that was still
>> alive.
>>
>> The two wolves ran to my right and stopped about 50 yds away.
>>
>>
>>
>> The wolf on the cow jumped off and stood on the road. I charged him with
>> the
>>
>> ATV and he ran to my right and stopped 25 yds. away. I had my .44 mag
>> and
>>
>> could have popped him, but knowing the penalty for killing a wolf, I
>> pulled out
>>
>> the camera instead and took a picture of him while he was running away.
>> It's a
>>
>> grueling sight to see an animal being eaten alive.
>>
>>
>>
>> I called 911 to get the local Game Warden, Chris Queen. He called back
>> and
>> was
>>
>> heading to the spot after he finished loading hay. I asked if I should
>> put
>> the cow
>>
>> down since it was still alive. He knew the owner of the herd and said
>> not
>> to finish
>>
>> it since the owner was particular about killing his cattle.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris called Mark Brucino, USF&W biologist that handles wolves and
>> grizzlies in
>>
>> the area. Mark called me back to say he was on the way. I told him that
>> I
>> was
>>
>> heading back out to look for elk and would be back later.
>>
>>
>>
>> The wolves starting to attack the herd again further down the road
>> behind
>> me.
>>
>> I took off down the road, but the wolves were gone. I got back to elk
>> hunting
>>
>> and spotted 3 groups of cows, calves and spike bulls totaling 41. A
>> plane
>> appeared
>>
>> and was flying transect patterns. I knew it must be FWS people. The elk
>> didn't
>>
>> care for the plane and slowly head back into cover. This was not working
>> for elk
>>
>> hunting so I twisted off the hunt and headed back to the truck.
>>
>>
>>
>> At the kill site I met Mark and an agent with USDA Wildlife Services
>> (formerly
>>
>> Animal Damages Board), Monty Nicholson. Mark said they were trying to
>> pick
>> up
>>
>> any signals from collared wolves. None of the wolves I saw had collars.
>> After
>>
>> explaining my account of the situation and a description of the wolves
>> they made
>>
>> a decision to call in a chopper and hunt them down. The chopper came in
>> and
>>
>> Monty jumped in with a 12 gauge and #4 Buckshot, his standard load for
>> killing
>>
>> wolves and coyotes from a chopper.
>>
>>
>>
>> Monty had explained that the area I was in is the border for 3 wolf
>> packs;
>>
>> Sunlight Basin, Absaroka and Clark's Fork. He believes these 3 wolves
>> are
>>
>> lead by a older male wolf that walks with a limp. Because of the injury
>> the
>>
>> older wolf cannot compete with stronger wolves for females and is
>> leading
>>
>> the 3 younger males. The older wolf has a radio collar, however the
>> plane
>>
>> did not pick up the signal.
>>
>>
>>
>> Soon the rancher and trail riders arrived. Mark wrote out a ticket for
>> the
>> rancher
>>
>> to get reimbursed "7 to 1" meaning he will get paid 7 times the cost of
>> the 2 yr.
>>
>> old cow. It is based on the assumption that the cow would be able to
>> produce 7
>>
>> calves during the life span. Of course the money comes from the State
>> even
>> though
>>
>> the Feds brought the wolves into WY and now we have to deal with the
>> mess.
>>
>>
>>
>> What was the cost of this one situation?
>>
>>
>>
>> - Time for 1 DOI FWS biologist
>>
>>
>>
>> - Time for 1 USDA Wildlife Services agent
>>
>>
>>
>> - Time for 1 WY Game Warden
>>
>>
>>
>> - Flight time for 1 surveillance plane
>>
>>
>>
>> - Flight time for 1 chopper
>>
>>
>>
>> - Payment for 1 cow (.85/lb x 1000 lbs x 7 = $5,950)
>>
>>
>>
>> So much for wolf management in WY. I could have helped out for the low,
>> low
>>
>> price of one .44 mag round. At least I could have taken care of ¼ of the
>> pack!
>>
>>
>>
>> Len Fortunato | Account Manager
>>
>> Applied Control Equipment | 2717 Cowgill Rd. | Cody | WY | 82414 | USA
>>
>>
>>
>> ____________________________________________________________
>>
>>
>> Date: 08/28/09 06:26:00
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Subject:
>> Fw: Your wolves at work!
>> From:
>> "Krista Parkins" <bkparkins at cpcinternet.com>
>> Date:
>> Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:50:07 -0700
>> To:
>> <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
>>
>> To:
>> <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
>>
>>
>> This is a true story! Kris
>>
>>
>> Hey Tony,
>>
>> Don't know if you've seen this.
>>
>> Hope all is well - are you coming up for the big game Thursday night?
>>
>> RH
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I had one heck of an experience this past Friday. I was walking into an
>>
>> area I spotted 5 bulls last weekend when wolves started howling,
>> growling
>>
>> and snarling about 300 yds away in the timber below me. It was just
>> getting
>>
>> light so, I hung out for a while hoping to get a look at the wolves.
>> Nothing
>>
>> appeared so, thinking that there were probably no elk in this spot, I
>> headed
>>
>> back to the truck. I unloaded the ATV and was headed to an area called
>> the
>>
>> "Natural Corral" on Bald Ridge.
>>
>>
>>
>> About ½ mile down the dirt road I came upon a herd of cattle running
>> around
>>
>> in a circle and making all sorts of sounds. The herd parted and 2 wolves
>>
>> popped out to look at me. Just beyond the two was another wolf on the
>>
>> hind end of a cow pulling a chunk of flesh from the cow that was still
>> alive.
>>
>> The two wolves ran to my right and stopped about 50 yds away.
>>
>>
>>
>> The wolf on the cow jumped off and stood on the road. I charged him
>> with the
>>
>> ATV and he ran to my right and stopped 25 yds. away. I had my .44 mag
>> and
>>
>> could have popped him, but knowing the penalty for killing a wolf, I
>> pulled out
>>
>> the camera instead and took a picture of him while he was running
>> away. It's a
>>
>> grueling sight to see an animal being eaten alive.
>>
>>
>>
>> I called 911 to get the local Game Warden, Chris Queen. He called back
>> and was
>>
>> heading to the spot after he finished loading hay. I asked if I should
>> put the cow
>>
>> down since it was still alive. He knew the owner of the herd and said
>> not to finish
>>
>> it since the owner was particular about killing his cattle.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris called Mark Brucino, USF&W biologist that handles wolves and
>> grizzlies in
>>
>> the area. Mark called me back to say he was on the way. I told him
>> that I was
>>
>> heading back out to look for elk and would be back later.
>>
>>
>>
>> The wolves starting to attack the herd again further down the road
>> behind me.
>>
>> I took off down the road, but the wolves were gone. I got back to elk
>> hunting
>>
>> and spotted 3 groups of cows, calves and spike bulls totaling 41. A
>> plane appeared
>>
>> and was flying transect patterns. I knew it must be FWS people. The
>> elk didn't
>>
>> care for the plane and slowly head back into cover. This was not
>> working for elk
>>
>> hunting so I twisted off the hunt and headed back to the truck.
>>
>>
>>
>> At the kill site I met Mark and an agent with USDA Wildlife Services
>> (formerly
>>
>> Animal Damages Board), Monty Nicholson. Mark said they were trying to
>> pick up
>>
>> any signals from collared wolves. None of the wolves I saw had
>> collars. After
>>
>> explaining my account of the situation and a description of the wolves
>> they made
>>
>> a decision to call in a chopper and hunt them down. The chopper came
>> in and
>>
>> Monty jumped in with a 12 gauge and #4 Buckshot, his standard load for
>> killing
>>
>> wolves and coyotes from a chopper.
>>
>>
>>
>> Monty had explained that the area I was in is the border for 3 wolf
>> packs;
>>
>> Sunlight Basin, Absaroka and Clark's Fork. He believes these 3 wolves
>> are
>>
>> lead by a older male wolf that walks with a limp. Because of the
>> injury the
>>
>> older wolf cannot compete with stronger wolves for females and is
>> leading
>>
>> the 3 younger males. The older wolf has a radio collar, however the
>> plane
>>
>> did not pick up the signal.
>>
>>
>>
>> Soon the rancher and trail riders arrived. Mark wrote out a ticket for
>> the rancher
>>
>> to get reimbursed "7 to 1" meaning he will get paid 7 times the cost
>> of the 2 yr.
>>
>> old cow. It is based on the assumption that the cow would be able to
>> produce 7
>>
>> calves during the life span. Of course the money comes from the State
>> even though
>>
>> the Feds brought the wolves into WY and now we have to deal with the
>> mess.
>>
>>
>>
>> What was the cost of this one situation?
>>
>>
>>
>> - Time for 1 DOI FWS biologist
>>
>>
>>
>> - Time for 1 USDA Wildlife Services agent
>>
>>
>>
>> - Time for 1 WY Game Warden
>>
>>
>>
>> - Flight time for 1 surveillance plane
>>
>>
>>
>> - Flight time for 1 chopper
>>
>>
>>
>> - Payment for 1 cow (.85/lb x 1000 lbs x 7 = $5,950)
>>
>>
>>
>> So much for wolf management in WY. I could have helped out for the
>> low, low
>>
>> price of one .44 mag round. At least I could have taken care of ¼ of
>> the pack!
>>
>>
>>
>> Len Fortunato | Account Manager
>>
>> Applied Control Equipment | 2717 Cowgill Rd. | Cody | WY | 82414 | USA
>>
>>
>>
>> ____________________________________________________________
>>
>> Date: 08/28/09 06:26:00
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
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