[Vision2020] Fw: Fw: Fw: Your wolves at work!
Kai Eiselein
editor at lataheagle.com
Mon Aug 31 15:17:06 PDT 2009
Really? There wouldn't be a problem? You mean wolves don't attack domestic
animals on private land?
Tell that to my in-laws who've had cattle killed by wolves on THEIR OWN
PROPERTY.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave" <tiedye at turbonet.com>
To: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Fw: Fw: Your wolves at work!
But, what were the cows doing in a forest in the first place? They
don't belong there, they are the invasive species. If farmers ranched
cows on ranches instead of in OUR forests there wouldn't be a problem.
Dave
lfalen wrote:
> -----Original message-----
>
> From: rafalen rafalen at turbonet.com
> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:38:17 -0700
> To: lfalen at turbonet.com
> Subject: Fw: Fw: Your wolves at work!
>
>
> -----Original message-----
>
> From: "Krista Parkins" bkparkins at cpcinternet.com
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:50:07 -0700
> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:
> Subject: Fw: Your wolves at work!
>
> This is a true story! Kris
>
> Hey Tony,
>
> Don't know if you've seen this.
>
> Hope all is well - are you coming up for the big game Thursday night?
>
> RH
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I had one heck of an experience this past Friday. I was walking into an
>
> area I spotted 5 bulls last weekend when wolves started howling, growling
>
> and snarling about 300 yds away in the timber below me. It was just
> getting
>
> light so, I hung out for a while hoping to get a look at the wolves.
> Nothing
>
> appeared so, thinking that there were probably no elk in this spot, I
> headed
>
> back to the truck. I unloaded the ATV and was headed to an area called the
>
> "Natural Corral" on Bald Ridge.
>
>
>
> About ½ mile down the dirt road I came upon a herd of cattle running
> around
>
> in a circle and making all sorts of sounds. The herd parted and 2 wolves
>
> popped out to look at me. Just beyond the two was another wolf on the
>
> hind end of a cow pulling a chunk of flesh from the cow that was still
> alive.
>
> The two wolves ran to my right and stopped about 50 yds away.
>
>
>
> The wolf on the cow jumped off and stood on the road. I charged him with
> the
>
> ATV and he ran to my right and stopped 25 yds. away. I had my .44 mag and
>
> could have popped him, but knowing the penalty for killing a wolf, I
> pulled out
>
> the camera instead and took a picture of him while he was running away.
> It's a
>
> grueling sight to see an animal being eaten alive.
>
>
>
> I called 911 to get the local Game Warden, Chris Queen. He called back and
> was
>
> heading to the spot after he finished loading hay. I asked if I should put
> the cow
>
> down since it was still alive. He knew the owner of the herd and said not
> to finish
>
> it since the owner was particular about killing his cattle.
>
>
>
> Chris called Mark Brucino, USF&W biologist that handles wolves and
> grizzlies in
>
> the area. Mark called me back to say he was on the way. I told him that I
> was
>
> heading back out to look for elk and would be back later.
>
>
>
> The wolves starting to attack the herd again further down the road behind
> me.
>
> I took off down the road, but the wolves were gone. I got back to elk
> hunting
>
> and spotted 3 groups of cows, calves and spike bulls totaling 41. A plane
> appeared
>
> and was flying transect patterns. I knew it must be FWS people. The elk
> didn't
>
> care for the plane and slowly head back into cover. This was not working
> for elk
>
> hunting so I twisted off the hunt and headed back to the truck.
>
>
>
> At the kill site I met Mark and an agent with USDA Wildlife Services
> (formerly
>
> Animal Damages Board), Monty Nicholson. Mark said they were trying to pick
> up
>
> any signals from collared wolves. None of the wolves I saw had collars.
> After
>
> explaining my account of the situation and a description of the wolves
> they made
>
> a decision to call in a chopper and hunt them down. The chopper came in
> and
>
> Monty jumped in with a 12 gauge and #4 Buckshot, his standard load for
> killing
>
> wolves and coyotes from a chopper.
>
>
>
> Monty had explained that the area I was in is the border for 3 wolf packs;
>
> Sunlight Basin, Absaroka and Clark's Fork. He believes these 3 wolves are
>
> lead by a older male wolf that walks with a limp. Because of the injury
> the
>
> older wolf cannot compete with stronger wolves for females and is leading
>
> the 3 younger males. The older wolf has a radio collar, however the plane
>
> did not pick up the signal.
>
>
>
> Soon the rancher and trail riders arrived. Mark wrote out a ticket for the
> rancher
>
> to get reimbursed "7 to 1" meaning he will get paid 7 times the cost of
> the 2 yr.
>
> old cow. It is based on the assumption that the cow would be able to
> produce 7
>
> calves during the life span. Of course the money comes from the State even
> though
>
> the Feds brought the wolves into WY and now we have to deal with the mess.
>
>
>
> What was the cost of this one situation?
>
>
>
> - Time for 1 DOI FWS biologist
>
>
>
> - Time for 1 USDA Wildlife Services agent
>
>
>
> - Time for 1 WY Game Warden
>
>
>
> - Flight time for 1 surveillance plane
>
>
>
> - Flight time for 1 chopper
>
>
>
> - Payment for 1 cow (.85/lb x 1000 lbs x 7 = $5,950)
>
>
>
> So much for wolf management in WY. I could have helped out for the low,
> low
>
> price of one .44 mag round. At least I could have taken care of ¼ of the
> pack!
>
>
>
> Len Fortunato | Account Manager
>
> Applied Control Equipment | 2717 Cowgill Rd. | Cody | WY | 82414 | USA
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________
>
>
> Date: 08/28/09 06:26:00
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject:
> Fw: Fw: Your wolves at work!
> From:
> rafalen <rafalen at turbonet.com>
> Date:
> Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:38:17 -0700
> To:
> lfalen at turbonet.com, rowan33 at suddenlink.net, ecfalen at q.com
>
> To:
> lfalen at turbonet.com, rowan33 at suddenlink.net, ecfalen at q.com
>
>
> -----Original message-----
>
> From: "Krista Parkins" bkparkins at cpcinternet.com
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:50:07 -0700
> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:
> Subject: Fw: Your wolves at work!
>
> This is a true story! Kris
>
> Hey Tony,
>
> Don't know if you've seen this.
>
> Hope all is well - are you coming up for the big game Thursday night?
>
> RH
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I had one heck of an experience this past Friday. I was walking into an
>
> area I spotted 5 bulls last weekend when wolves started howling, growling
>
> and snarling about 300 yds away in the timber below me. It was just
> getting
>
> light so, I hung out for a while hoping to get a look at the wolves.
> Nothing
>
> appeared so, thinking that there were probably no elk in this spot, I
> headed
>
> back to the truck. I unloaded the ATV and was headed to an area called the
>
> "Natural Corral" on Bald Ridge.
>
>
>
> About ½ mile down the dirt road I came upon a herd of cattle running
> around
>
> in a circle and making all sorts of sounds. The herd parted and 2 wolves
>
> popped out to look at me. Just beyond the two was another wolf on the
>
> hind end of a cow pulling a chunk of flesh from the cow that was still
> alive.
>
> The two wolves ran to my right and stopped about 50 yds away.
>
>
>
> The wolf on the cow jumped off and stood on the road. I charged him with
> the
>
> ATV and he ran to my right and stopped 25 yds. away. I had my .44 mag and
>
> could have popped him, but knowing the penalty for killing a wolf, I
> pulled out
>
> the camera instead and took a picture of him while he was running away.
> It's a
>
> grueling sight to see an animal being eaten alive.
>
>
>
> I called 911 to get the local Game Warden, Chris Queen. He called back and
> was
>
> heading to the spot after he finished loading hay. I asked if I should put
> the cow
>
> down since it was still alive. He knew the owner of the herd and said not
> to finish
>
> it since the owner was particular about killing his cattle.
>
>
>
> Chris called Mark Brucino, USF&W biologist that handles wolves and
> grizzlies in
>
> the area. Mark called me back to say he was on the way. I told him that I
> was
>
> heading back out to look for elk and would be back later.
>
>
>
> The wolves starting to attack the herd again further down the road behind
> me.
>
> I took off down the road, but the wolves were gone. I got back to elk
> hunting
>
> and spotted 3 groups of cows, calves and spike bulls totaling 41. A plane
> appeared
>
> and was flying transect patterns. I knew it must be FWS people. The elk
> didn't
>
> care for the plane and slowly head back into cover. This was not working
> for elk
>
> hunting so I twisted off the hunt and headed back to the truck.
>
>
>
> At the kill site I met Mark and an agent with USDA Wildlife Services
> (formerly
>
> Animal Damages Board), Monty Nicholson. Mark said they were trying to pick
> up
>
> any signals from collared wolves. None of the wolves I saw had collars.
> After
>
> explaining my account of the situation and a description of the wolves
> they made
>
> a decision to call in a chopper and hunt them down. The chopper came in
> and
>
> Monty jumped in with a 12 gauge and #4 Buckshot, his standard load for
> killing
>
> wolves and coyotes from a chopper.
>
>
>
> Monty had explained that the area I was in is the border for 3 wolf packs;
>
> Sunlight Basin, Absaroka and Clark's Fork. He believes these 3 wolves are
>
> lead by a older male wolf that walks with a limp. Because of the injury
> the
>
> older wolf cannot compete with stronger wolves for females and is leading
>
> the 3 younger males. The older wolf has a radio collar, however the plane
>
> did not pick up the signal.
>
>
>
> Soon the rancher and trail riders arrived. Mark wrote out a ticket for the
> rancher
>
> to get reimbursed "7 to 1" meaning he will get paid 7 times the cost of
> the 2 yr.
>
> old cow. It is based on the assumption that the cow would be able to
> produce 7
>
> calves during the life span. Of course the money comes from the State even
> though
>
> the Feds brought the wolves into WY and now we have to deal with the mess.
>
>
>
> What was the cost of this one situation?
>
>
>
> - Time for 1 DOI FWS biologist
>
>
>
> - Time for 1 USDA Wildlife Services agent
>
>
>
> - Time for 1 WY Game Warden
>
>
>
> - Flight time for 1 surveillance plane
>
>
>
> - Flight time for 1 chopper
>
>
>
> - Payment for 1 cow (.85/lb x 1000 lbs x 7 = $5,950)
>
>
>
> So much for wolf management in WY. I could have helped out for the low,
> low
>
> price of one .44 mag round. At least I could have taken care of ¼ of the
> pack!
>
>
>
> Len Fortunato | Account Manager
>
> Applied Control Equipment | 2717 Cowgill Rd. | Cody | WY | 82414 | USA
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________
>
>
> Date: 08/28/09 06:26:00
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject:
> Fw: Your wolves at work!
> From:
> "Krista Parkins" <bkparkins at cpcinternet.com>
> Date:
> Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:50:07 -0700
> To:
> <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
>
> To:
> <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
>
>
> This is a true story! Kris
>
>
> Hey Tony,
>
> Don't know if you've seen this.
>
> Hope all is well - are you coming up for the big game Thursday night?
>
> RH
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I had one heck of an experience this past Friday. I was walking into an
>
> area I spotted 5 bulls last weekend when wolves started howling, growling
>
> and snarling about 300 yds away in the timber below me. It was just
> getting
>
> light so, I hung out for a while hoping to get a look at the wolves.
> Nothing
>
> appeared so, thinking that there were probably no elk in this spot, I
> headed
>
> back to the truck. I unloaded the ATV and was headed to an area called the
>
> "Natural Corral" on Bald Ridge.
>
>
>
> About ½ mile down the dirt road I came upon a herd of cattle running
> around
>
> in a circle and making all sorts of sounds. The herd parted and 2 wolves
>
> popped out to look at me. Just beyond the two was another wolf on the
>
> hind end of a cow pulling a chunk of flesh from the cow that was still
> alive.
>
> The two wolves ran to my right and stopped about 50 yds away.
>
>
>
> The wolf on the cow jumped off and stood on the road. I charged him
> with the
>
> ATV and he ran to my right and stopped 25 yds. away. I had my .44 mag and
>
> could have popped him, but knowing the penalty for killing a wolf, I
> pulled out
>
> the camera instead and took a picture of him while he was running
> away. It's a
>
> grueling sight to see an animal being eaten alive.
>
>
>
> I called 911 to get the local Game Warden, Chris Queen. He called back
> and was
>
> heading to the spot after he finished loading hay. I asked if I should
> put the cow
>
> down since it was still alive. He knew the owner of the herd and said
> not to finish
>
> it since the owner was particular about killing his cattle.
>
>
>
> Chris called Mark Brucino, USF&W biologist that handles wolves and
> grizzlies in
>
> the area. Mark called me back to say he was on the way. I told him
> that I was
>
> heading back out to look for elk and would be back later.
>
>
>
> The wolves starting to attack the herd again further down the road
> behind me.
>
> I took off down the road, but the wolves were gone. I got back to elk
> hunting
>
> and spotted 3 groups of cows, calves and spike bulls totaling 41. A
> plane appeared
>
> and was flying transect patterns. I knew it must be FWS people. The
> elk didn't
>
> care for the plane and slowly head back into cover. This was not
> working for elk
>
> hunting so I twisted off the hunt and headed back to the truck.
>
>
>
> At the kill site I met Mark and an agent with USDA Wildlife Services
> (formerly
>
> Animal Damages Board), Monty Nicholson. Mark said they were trying to
> pick up
>
> any signals from collared wolves. None of the wolves I saw had
> collars. After
>
> explaining my account of the situation and a description of the wolves
> they made
>
> a decision to call in a chopper and hunt them down. The chopper came
> in and
>
> Monty jumped in with a 12 gauge and #4 Buckshot, his standard load for
> killing
>
> wolves and coyotes from a chopper.
>
>
>
> Monty had explained that the area I was in is the border for 3 wolf packs;
>
> Sunlight Basin, Absaroka and Clark's Fork. He believes these 3 wolves are
>
> lead by a older male wolf that walks with a limp. Because of the
> injury the
>
> older wolf cannot compete with stronger wolves for females and is leading
>
> the 3 younger males. The older wolf has a radio collar, however the plane
>
> did not pick up the signal.
>
>
>
> Soon the rancher and trail riders arrived. Mark wrote out a ticket for
> the rancher
>
> to get reimbursed "7 to 1" meaning he will get paid 7 times the cost
> of the 2 yr.
>
> old cow. It is based on the assumption that the cow would be able to
> produce 7
>
> calves during the life span. Of course the money comes from the State
> even though
>
> the Feds brought the wolves into WY and now we have to deal with the mess.
>
>
>
> What was the cost of this one situation?
>
>
>
> - Time for 1 DOI FWS biologist
>
>
>
> - Time for 1 USDA Wildlife Services agent
>
>
>
> - Time for 1 WY Game Warden
>
>
>
> - Flight time for 1 surveillance plane
>
>
>
> - Flight time for 1 chopper
>
>
>
> - Payment for 1 cow (.85/lb x 1000 lbs x 7 = $5,950)
>
>
>
> So much for wolf management in WY. I could have helped out for the
> low, low
>
> price of one .44 mag round. At least I could have taken care of ¼ of
> the pack!
>
>
>
> Len Fortunato | Account Manager
>
> Applied Control Equipment | 2717 Cowgill Rd. | Cody | WY | 82414 | USA
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________
>
> Date: 08/28/09 06:26:00
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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